Ninja Theory: Old Dante “isn’t cool anymore”
posted on 09.22.10 at 06:35 AM EST by (@salromano)

Ninja Theory boss Tameem Antoniades has said that DmC Devil May Cry‘s new look for Dante is “all about cool” and that the previous Dante design we’ve come to know and love just “isn’t cool anymore”.

“It’s about Dante being cool and making you feel cool when you’re playing it, and so the combat and the style system and everything is integral to that,” Antoniades told 1UP. “But, you know, what was cool 12 years ago — I think that was when the first game came out [Editor’s Note: he’s a bit off, as the first title came out in 2001] — isn’t cool anymore.

“If Dante, dressed as he was, walked into any bar outside of Tokyo, he’d get laughed out. What Devil May Cry did when it launched was it brought everything that was great about action cinema like the fashion, music — it was like a cultural melting pot — and I feel like now, for Devil May Cry to have that same impact, it needs to draw on new things. New music, new ways of cinematography, new fashion.”

Devil May Cry series creator Hideki Kamiya, now at Platinum Games headlining Bayonetta, has already expressed quite the opposing opinion. The differences in culture between Ninja Theory and Platinum Games are clear as day. When asked if he thought Bayonetta was “cool”, Antoniades said that while he “loves the game”, he does not consider Bayonetta a “cool” game, “no, not at all.”

DMC will release for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. Capcom has yet to set a release date.

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  • zerolegacy0

    I don’t have enough hands to do a facepalm big enough to cover this guys failures.

  • AdamBoy64

    Looks like there’s no changing him then. By everything I’m seeing, the large majority of DMC fans are ‘ticked off’, to put it lightly.

  • go-go-boy

    the arrogance on this guy… you already pissed fans off but now you say that this new dante owns the original this guy seriously fucked up a classic and ninja theory just lost respect from so many people well way to go capcom fucking shit heads.

  • Naesi

    Wow, aren’t these guys the people who put out that over-hyped mediocre game Heavenly Sword? It’s pretty absurd that they’re trying to reinvent a game created by one of the best directors in the industry.

  • Yuri4prez

    So, for this Dante to be cool, they had to make the character design look like a band member from Good Charolette?

    What’s next, the entire soundtrack made by Lady Gaga?

    RIP Dante…..We’ll miss you.

  • Rezar

    The old Dante isn’t cool anymore?! O_o I’m sorry but the new Dante looks like an aged Robert Pattinson from the Twilight movies. That already doesn’t make me want to play it along with this guy’s arrogant remarks about a series that was so much fun.

    • incredibilistic

      Co-sign. The new Dante looks like a gay vampire with a horrible sense of fashion. The coat, the necklace; the overall look just comes off as desperate.

      Dante’s white hair is what made him cool and unique. And we’re also talking about a fantasy world, not reality. People in other time periods or in fantasy universes don’t have to conform to conventional fashion standards so changing his look entirely is unnecessary.

      Besides, if Naughty Dog taught us anything it’s that if it ain’t broke…

      And this was after just one game! There’s 4 DMC games and he’s also appeared in other games like Viewtiful Joe and Marvel vs. Capcom. His look is unique and iconic. Now he just looks like any douche-bag cos-player.

  • Leonix7791

    New Dante sucks.I want my OLD DANTE back ! Ninja Theory screwe DMC series already !

    RIP White hair Dante,we will always miss you…oh there is still MVC3 next year :/

  • SuperGuyverUSA

    Now, I wouldn’t say means things about people, but DUDE!! I always liked DMC, but the whole thing change, it’s starting to look like a bad Fan Fiction. Dante was awesome at looks, and I’m sure no one would laugh at Dante. (Mostly because of that huge sword he’s got) Our only hope is that the game sucked, and Capcom makes another GOOD DMC game.

  • FinalFantasy_fangirl

    You would think with last week’s dmc fan reaction NT would keep their mouths shut until they can reveal more info on the game.

  • Can’t beleive what I’m reading here….really, I can’t.

    Do we consider the DMC series finished? If this new, ahem, “cool” Dante is anything to go by, I fear it may be so. Don’t get me wrong, I love the series, one of my favourites in fact…but this new one just looks so…well, wrong.

    Dante (the original) has a unique, brilliant look to him which inhabits it’s own style and high-fantasy which fits perfectly into the games world. The new Dante, however, looks like nothing more than one of mindless hoarde of ridiculous ‘scene teens’ – and that is NOT who I want to be playing as.

    Apologies if I sound like a grumpy old man here, but I just feel strongly about it. It is abundantly clear that literally nobody likes this new style. Are the developers going to listen to us, the prospective buyers of the game, or are they going to wallow in their own quest for “coolness”.

    If it’s the latter, then I’m afraid I’m out.

    PS: It strikes me as strange this whole DMC fiasco, considering NT’s new Enslaved game is shaping up to be utterly brilliant (imo, going from demo). I do have faith in the company…but I just really, REALLY don’t know what they are thinking with this.

    • AiQi

      He’s as “cool” as the guys the movie “Twilight”… ( no offense if anyone like its ). But i guess bratty-emo-metro-looking is the new cool today…

      Another bad, really bad step in “trying to be western no matter what”. Im not overreacting, i just don’t like the char – let’s hope that the game will still be good.

    • subaru8mysox

      I agree. I think the new Dante looks insane (in a totally bad, evil way), sickly, and scrawny–like some of the demons you’re supposed to be fighting. I don’t want to play as someone like that.

      Changing Dante is like changing the logo for your company–it’s brand suicide. If Dante doesn’t look like Dante, the game isn’t even recognizable as a DMC game. How does this not alienate existing fans?

      And if things that were cool ten years ago are no longer cool, why are all those older games from older systems coming back as BUYABLE downloads?

      On a related, enraging, note, has anyone seen a picture of the director? Looks shockingly like the new Dante. *gag* What a queer-ass fanboy move.

  • They should pull an inFAMOUS 2 and listen to fans on this one.

  • SpaceMedafighterX

    good damn…. inafune when you said you wanted to make games more western you couldnt have possibly been aiming for this… could you? did anyone else think that the action portion of the trailer seemed off?

  • 60Hz

    wow… just wow… i hate to bust these guy’s bubble but a judge of what’s cool has nothing to do with walking into a bar… Dante was cool not because of his fashion, hell who would wear those boots??… he was cool because of attitude… big fail that he didn’t even understand that… i mean who dresses like dante ever??? 12 years ago???

    This game is a big fail and probably will never see the light of day… funny because i’m not concerned as much about the looks as i am the lack of anything interesting combatwise in the trailer… i just rewatched dmc3 cutscenes and they have more exciting choreography in two seconds them than this trailer has in it’s whole length…

    i had a feeling this new direction was by NT, and the JPs go along with it because they feel NT understands the western market better than them (not sure where they get that idea from)… Heavenly Sword was mediocre at best and i’m sure Enslaved will sell less than DMC2…

    The big difference between blue castle and ninja theory is that BC RESPECTED the IP.
    It’s obvious NT was the wrong choice for this one… DMC is still born.

  • finalheart9323

    Wow just wow “not cool”

  • Hmmmmmm… and erm, why would I want to play as a character who could walk into a bar!?! Surely the whole point of a DMC (that is, a true DMC) style game is that you play characters who frankly couldn’t exist in real life.

    Let’s see now, Dante is:
    1. Very nearly immortal.
    2. Not only carries a sword that would get you arrested instantly in real life but that also has an electrical charge, can split the freaking ground itself AND can act like a boomerang when he wants it to, besides practically having a life force of it’s own. And don’t get me started on the other weapons he always ‘finds’…
    3. Is the son of a DEMON.

    I could go on but yeah, when’s the last time someone like that walked into a bar anyone knows of in daily life? Several years ago when the first Devil May Cry was released!?! Oh, never? Well done, here’s a cookie. >_>

    That’s like making Ridge Racer more realistic on account of arcade style racing not being ‘cool anymore’ (yeah right, tell that to Split/Second!)

    I don’t want to repeat all the well constructed comments already left though, so instead of stating the obvious I’ll say that this has put things into a new light for me.

    I’m REALLY looking forward to Tekken x StreetFighter (SFxTekken not so much, it’ll be fun but the Tekken peeps look a bit goofy), but you know, reading the arrogant (and ignorant) comments of Tameem, I wonder if there isn’t a darker side to all this.

    Apparently, Capcom cares little for it’s own IP if it means aiming more towards the western market. (I mean, why the hell would they outsource a freaking Devil May Cry game ASKING for Dante to be re-imagined if they did!?!?) And the Capcom AND Namco dev’s have both said on record that they were ‘not expecting’ the approval of the resulting ‘X’ fighting games so fast. In fact, the Capcom side of the equation were pushing for another DarkStalkers (keep trying guys!) and were a little taken back by the approval of the outlandish X proposal instead (same goes for the Namco guys who were actually expecting to tell people about the new Tag game beforehand).

    My point is, I’m now wondering if the approval of the Tekken x SF/SFxTekken games is less to do with passion/genuine desire on the part of the suits and more to do with “Hey, people know StreetFighter and Tekken, even in the WEST, a combo game would be awesome!!!! Surely it will sell even more if they’re COMBINED :D”

    Don’t get me wrong, as I said I’m looking forward to these games I really am, but I can’t help but think they were approved more for the marketing potential than any actual desire to see them exist. (all the best original games are born precisely out of that desire)

    And that’s sad, really it is. Clearly, good things can come out of bad situations/desperate business men (thankfully the right people are working on the fighting games I mentioned for example, I have no doubt they’ll be great). But in the long term, looking at Dante/Matt Damon, I’m not sure this will turn out so well in the end… I fear this direction Capcom is taking, really I do.

    Oh, and Bayonetta owns Heavenly Bored on every level (especially that of style) so badly it’s actually tragic. Apologies for the obvious statement, but it has to be said.

    Reality is cool… and just when I thought we’d gotten over that crap, Reality is LIFE, it’s not cool or uncool, and neither is realism, it just is. Videogames are supposed to be FUN, IF the realism makes them more fun, great, but it’s not a prerequisite, and you don’t just shoehorn it in there for the sake of it.

    Argh, grow up. >_>

  • this is just bullshit. they didn’t even made the character what gives them to right to call dante cool or not. in fact dante isn’t about cool, the character is more badass than cool(though you can be badass while being cool or vice versa)

    i think i’ll just wait to the true sequel to DMC4. though i might try this game just to get an impression on what is to come on the future of the franchise.

  • xburner817

    WHAT THAT IS THE BIGGEST BS I EVER HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dante was the coolest character ever! and stupid ninja theory put some anorexia emo boy n call him cool yea right in your dreams >:[

  • ZacKazual

    I love reading these comments…it makes me feel like I’m not alone, and I can’t Thank you guys enough for expressing your feelings.

    First, anyone who looked like that and walked into a bar wouldn’t get laughed out, they’d get their asses kicked. Not only that, but where I’m from, you can’t even SMOKE in a bar…Don’t tell me that these guys’ definition of a badass is someone who ‘just doesn’t care about the rules’ and is gonna light up a cigarette anyway…really? That sounds like a dumb ass teenager if you ask me. Why is the director even talking about a Japanese Bar when Capcom gave them the rights so they could add a “western touch” to the game? Completely Ignorant.

    Secondly, WHY did Capcom give this series to NT when this SOB doesn’t even know when the series BEGAN! 12 years ago? Yeah…the original game was right next to the original Metal Gear Solid on the PlayStation, and if you look hard enough, you can find it on the Playstation stroe…what a Dumb Ass.

    And just like so many other people have stated…Dante was a badass for WHO he was, NOT what other people thought he should look like. The thing about the Old Dante is that NO ONE ELSE looks like him. He’s iconic, he’s recognizable, he’s unique…and to top it off, he can wear ANYTHING and STILL look like a badass (ex. DMC4)

    So, what the fu*k, Ninja Theory? You’re going to let us stand by, and watch you completely ruin one of our favorite franchises because you want to immortalize your Director as the main character? If this game is made…I’ll never buy a game developed by your piece of shit company, and I’ll bash on anyone and everyone who does.

  • ultraddtd

    While I don’t know if I can concede that this new Dante is “cool,” I do have to agree with Antoniades that Dante definitely isn’t.

    Maybe it’s because I don’t like Anime, or Japanese pop art doesn’t gel well with me. But then again, it never really bothered me much in the past with DMC or any other Japanese game that has great gameplay. DMC was a fun series, and if these guys can make a game that can even come close to the Win that DMC2 was then I’m all over his heroine chic ass.

    • chaosbladewing

      Its not because you dont like anime. I love anime and J-pop.
      I think this design is far from “cool”

  • giabread

    They think this new look is “cool”?! BAAHAHAHAHA, that has to be the biggest joke I’ve heard in months. This loser looks like an unwashed, pathetic junkie about to drop dead. A complete dweeb. The total antithesis of “cool”. He couldn’t get any more uncool if it bit him on the ass. And his clothes are pathetic. Newsflash, Ninja Theory, no one looking like that would be allowed in any self-respecting bar or nightclub in Tokyo. Especially considering how filthy he is, on top of everything else.

  • Those bastards they deserve to be crucified on a rebellion with lucifer blades stuck into their arms. And if Dante walked into a japanese bar he would not be laughed at, he would be talked about, not laughed at. Hey anybody have two guns, i wanna try out my new theory on dying ninjas.

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