Microsoft creative director defends ‘always online’ [Update 2]
posted on 04.04.13 at 09:31 PM EDT by (@salromano)
Adam Orth confirming required online for the next Xbox?

Microsoft Studios creative director Adam Orth has taken to Twitter to defend “always online” devices. 

“Sorry, I don’t get the drama around having an ‘always on’ console,” Orth said on Twitter. “Every device now is ‘always on’. That’s the world we live in. #dealwithit.”

In response, BioWare designer Manveer Heir said, “Did you learn nothing from Diablo III or SimCity? You know some people’s internet goes out right? Deal with it is a shitty reason.”

Orth retorted, “Electricity goes out, too.”

And Heir countered (2), “You lived in LA, SF, Seattle… very connected places. Try living in Janesville, WI or Blacksburg, VA… You should move to a NON-CITY for a period of time and tell me how your attitudes change. Gamers live in non urban areas too.”

Orth replied, “Why on earth would I live there?”

A later tweet from Orth reads, “This has been a fun #lunch break. Even @manveerheir got up in my grill.”

To which Heir responded, “Haha, don’t get mad because I’m right.”

Orth countered with a “deal with it” photo featuring Barack Obama.

Another series of tweets continued the defense.

“Sometimes the electricity goes out,” Orth said. “I will not purchase a vacuum cleaner.”

An aspiring concept artist replied, “Vacuum cleaners require electricity to function. Games do not require online.”

And Orth responded, “I think you probably meant to say ‘some games do not require online’. Saying that games do not require online isn’t accurate at all.”

Orth’s comments follow the latest next-gen Xbox rumor today suggesting the console requires an internet connection to start games, and if dropped, players are given a short period to regain their connection before their session is suspended. Earlier rumors have also said the system will require an always on internet connection.

But these are rumors. Rumors which Microsoft has yet to confirm.

According to his LinkedIn profile, Adam Orth has been working on an unannounced project for an unmentioned platform at Microsoft Game Studios since February 2012.

Thanks, NeoGAF.

Mini-Update: It seems that Orth has locked his tweets. Find screen captures courtesy of NeoGAF member Shinobi602 and myself here and here.

Update: Orth has said that his debate with Heir is “just the normal daily back and forth” between the two developers.

“Apologies for offending non-cities,” he said. “I was trolling him personally.”

Heir added (2), “You should know we [Heir and Orth] are good friends who joke around with one another. Don’t read too much into our back & forth… All those tweets you are seeing about the city being superior. That’s him just trolling me. And I fell for it. Don’t bust his balls on that.”

Update 2: Microsoft has issued an apology regarding Orth’s comments.

“We apologize for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday,” said the company. “This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers. We are very sorry if this offended anyone, however we have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter.”

  • MrRobbyM

    So this is pretty much a confirmation or a marketing tactic?

    Either way, I won’t be supporting the Nextbox. Online or not.

  • Shadow

    Imagine: Day one, launch day, you turn your ‘Xbox 3′ on and the servers are overloaded, of course because it’s always online you probably won’t able to play any games for the first week of the console launch, and that’s just one problem with an always online console…

    • RicardJulianti

      That won’t happen….because no one is going to buy it XD

      Seriously though….I agree. This is just dumb. They will probably increase the cost of XBL as well….it’s a huge money maker for them. Try and force everyone into buying XBL so that they take less of a loss from each console sold. I understand the pure financial reasoning behind it, but they are alienating over half their install base with this if they do it.

      76-77 million 360’s sold, 40-45 million XBL accounts; not factoring in people with multiple accounts and families that have 4 or 5 accounts but share 1 Xbox.

  • LordKaiser

    LMAO! Bye bye Microsoft! You left PS4 to be the only Next Gen Console worth having.

  • GetOffMy_Lawn

    I’ll #dealwithit by not buying your console.

    • rockman29

      You win.

    • ed g

      What is a console?

      • xMCXx

        A miserable pile of hardware!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1516112396 Jay Garcia

          Enough talk! Have at you!

    • sonyntendo

      LOL!

    • AdamBoy64

      Brilliant.

    • https://www.facebook.com/miyabigaming 新阿修羅(ShinAsura)
      • http://gematsu.com/author/ro-kurorai 浪黒雷 (Roland Gmyrek)

        awesome, thanks for sharing. Here’s another sweet one from EG:
        http://i.imgur.com/juDiybQ.jpg

        • xMCXx

          Pfffhahaha! xD
          That’s great, man.

      • DrForbidden

        That is probably the most epic GIF in the history of the internet…

      • gomes86

        tis marvelous

    • http://gematsu.com/author/ro-kurorai 浪黒雷 (Roland Gmyrek)

      Hit the nail (on MS’s Xbox division’s) coffin on the head. Here’s my opinion on that guy I posted earlier:

      Providing bad press even before the system had been officially unveiled by hiring a total douche bag, way to go MS-Xbox division, way to go. In that case Xbox3 is dead on arrival, for me at least. MS should really re-evaluate their hiring requirements as they don’t seem very sophisticated after those asinine and infantile comments made by their “creative director”.

  • new_tradition

    I am laughing so hard right now. This guy ever heard of data limits or throttling?

  • Renzouri

    Notice the people who are defending the always-online system? Sheltered, corporate employees who live in cities. Why don’t they try saying these same things to people say, those who are stationed in another country in the military.

  • http://twitter.com/AnthonyFoster5 Anthony Foster

    “I live in the middle of a city and have a perfect internet connection that never goes out, has no bandwidth limits, and every game I’ve ever played had perfect servers that could also handle an unlimited number of people at all times and never needed to go down for maintenance or anything. Afaik everyone lives in an area just like mine. Also I’m high right now.”

  • DrForbidden

    When will these people learn that, as a high-ranking personnel in their company, their personal opinions are not personal when made in public? I guess high pay does not equal to high IQ here…

    Statements like ‘deal with it’ and ‘why on earth would I live there?’ shows how much of a over-priviledged, self-absorbed, self-aggrandising douchebag this guy is. These sort of statements are par the course for priviledged 13-year-olds on Gamefaqs forums. From a creative director of a major console manufacturer, purportedly an ADULT, it makes me wonder how this guy got his job in the first place.

    Actually, no it doesn’t. I already know. It’s because most of the higher-ups at MS are also over-priviledged, self-absorbed, self-aggrandising douchebags who hire each other, overpay each other, and promote each other.

    • LordKaiser

      Maybe he’s sociopath lol.

    • rockman29

      dude probably has some ______ leadership complex aka he hasn’t grown up/is a big loud crazy person.

    • https://www.facebook.com/miyabigaming 新阿修羅(ShinAsura)

      I hope he gets fired

  • http://gematsu.com/ Sal Romano

    He’s removing his tweets…

    • MrRobbyM

      Good thing they’re screencapped

    • PrinceHeir

      lol too late.

      don’t be scared now!!!

    • Syltique

      Way too late lol.

    • http://gematsu.com/ Sal Romano

      I’ve added a link to some screen caps.

      • http://lukalovesgames.blogspot.de/ Alkaid

        Thank you for the service. Those are quite frightening but also insightful news, if I may say so.

      • sonyntendo

        You are awesome, Sal. Thanks

    • rockman29

      t3h powah of informatiks

  • shogunknight

    These….these guys are SERIOUS?

  • PrinceHeir

    seriously what a jackass.

    if there’s a country that can go always online, it’s either korea or japan as of now.

    US internet sucks, data cap and over price models ugh.

    im just glad New York has a unlimited Broadband internet with no caps.

    however it’s too pricey, japan offers the same, but more upload and download speed but half the price(WTF)

    already downloaded/uploaded 500 Gib worth of bandwidth just this month alone.

    what those are? secret :D

    lol this pretty much shows that they’re really willing to go an all online console.

    and yeah i’ll #dealwithit by not buying your console at ALL.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=40105343 Shaun Sticka

      I really need to correct you on this, as it’s full of nonsense about Japan. People have this idea of Japan as the tech capital of all things and it’s utter BS. Like most things with tech, Japan is years behind the US outside of the most developed areas of Tokyo.

      1) Japan is most definitely NOT an “always online” country. There are an ass ton of people here who have no internet, internet on one computer in the backroom they only use for special occasions, or internet so slow it’s worthless. Not to mention the problem of having the majority of your population to old to even know what the internet is and having a culture in which people all live with those old people. The majority of people I know either don’t have internet or have internet but rarely use it. Hell, many people I know don’t even have a computer.

      2) Japan’s internet is neither half-price of the US nor does it have unlimited caps. Internet costs the same or MORE than it does in the US. My bill is around $80/month. Also, most providers have a 30GB / day cap on bandwidth use. I would trade what I get for internet back home any day. Also, if you violate this more than 2 times they will ban you from using their service as well as stick you with a penalty fee of several hundred dollars. This means you need to find a new provider. Since there are really only 2-3 in the entire country you really can’t afford to be going over your cap.

      3) Internet in Japan is generally pretty slow. Not much else to say here.

      Been living in Japan for a little while now and I would trade my internet situation for what I had back home any day.

      • DrForbidden

        Thank you for your informative post. If the permanent online model for the next Xbox is true, Japanese residents at least have a perfectly valid reason not to buy a Microsoft console this time…

        • Gregory Edcius

          They already had their reason no games that cater their tastes and interest Japanese people don’t play shooters all day long

      • HeatPhoenix

        It’s true. Rural areas have incredibly shitty internet. Besides that, there are other countries/areas with large strips of land with great internet, such as where I live, Holland.

      • megumi203

        Please don’t spread wrong information about Japan. You must live in such a rural place over there. US internet connection is about 3x more expensive and 3x slower. Name one person who has an optical fiber in the U.S. Most Japanese people have an unlimited internet connection and optical fiber (up to 100Mbps). I pay $55/month for outdated cable line (20Mbps) in the U.S. Yes,

        Broadband Internet infrastructure in the U.S is behind.
        http://www.forbes.com/sites/kymmcnicholas/2011/01/24/the-fastest-internet-speeds-in-the-world/

        But Xbox is literally dead in Japan, so there is no need for this argument… I guess. No matter what they try, they won’t sell in Japan.

  • analman

    FULL DAMAGE CONTROL

  • JArthurRank

    Damage control in progress.

    • DrForbidden

      He could have defended his stance without being an arsehole about it. A little forethought and civility and less arrogance would have saved him all the trouble.

  • Mar Mar

    I want a very reasonable statement from this “Creative” director on why do I always have to be online,

    • DrForbidden

      His reply, “Deal with it.”

  • Raiyu

    Well this made my decision easier. I admit, I don’t like Microsoft but I was going to give them the benefit of the doubt and see if they could win me back. Looks like that’s not happening.

    Always online wasn’t an option for me since I sometimes I visit family and relatives, my grandparents in particular are still stuck on dial-up in 2013 because there aren’t any options in the rural area where they live.

    So yeah, looks like I’ll be going PC/PS4/WiiU next gen.

  • Guest

    I think I get what they are aiming for,it will work for the type of fans they want and will allow them to build a certain type of ‘ecosystem'(not sure thats the word)
    I mean it isnt what I would do but it could have some benefits.(for the company,not saying for the gamers per say)
    It might damage their sales but it would allow them to squeeze more money out of the new customers.

    Again,not what I would do but I can see what they are thinking.

    • DrForbidden

      From another of my posts below:
      “He could have defended his stance without being an arsehole about it. A little forethought and civility and less arrogance would have saved him all the trouble.”

      • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

        True.He was rude about it.The bioware guy was a douche too though.
        they both suck.

        • DrForbidden

          Hmm. I dunno about Heir being rude. I would probably have said the exact same thing to Orth after his ‘Deal with it’ crap. Granted, I’m no paragon of courtesy…

          • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

            I would have probably told him to go screw himself,but Im not a company person

    • Bryce Blalex Douglas

      For as much money as they are pouring into the Xbox consoles forcing an always online connection is a sure fire way to kill your own console. They won’t have enough people buying their consoles to support it.

      • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

        Sadly you’d be surprised :
        people are pretty loyal to their consoles

        • MrRobbyM

          Said Sony with the PS3.

          • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

            And look at its 2nd place.

        • Bryce Blalex Douglas

          People are loyal true, but the amount of people with Xbox360’s and no internet is pretty huge

  • Charlottes Guardian

    #dealwithit

    Well….shit. I was actually thinking about not dealing with it, but this clears things up.

  • http://twitter.com/RaiuLyn Raiu

    Think about the children and gamers from third rated countries!!! D:

    In all seriousness, the Next Box rumors are getting more and more ridiculous by the day….

  • http://www.facebook.com/alex.estrada.1401933 Alex Estrada

    You live in a third world country with less-than-reliable internet? Deal with it.

    • Elvick

      Well, to be fair, if you live in a third world country I think shitty internet is the least of your problems.

      • DrForbidden

        There are many stable and developing third world countries, to be honest. Not to say that shitty internet connections should be on the top of everybody’s list of problems, but there are sufficient number of people in various third world countries where they are not struggling for survival on a daily basis.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=40105343 Shaun Sticka

        Spoken like a good ol’ American.

        • Elvick

          Spoken like someone making assumptions.

  • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

    #dealwithit, huh? Deal with this. *Closes his wallet*

  • kontis

    “I know 5 people who own 360’s who currently have no access to the internet. They would be screwed if they had **Microsofts next system** right now.”

    Microsoft’s Dev:
    “Those people should definitely get with times and get the internet. It’s awesome.”

    http://i.imgur.com/er9SJ7F.png

  • http://lukalovesgames.blogspot.de/ Alkaid

    sunovaB…BQed stack of meat.
    Now that is one hell of a conversation. I don’t know, if this Adam Orth meant all that actually serious but that… seems not very kind and caring.
    I really wonder what the uppers at Microsoft want to achieve like that.

    Maybe a “Ha, ha! You took all that serious, it was all a joke despite the fact that I pulled your pants down!” Nelson Muntz approach or a “Ha, ha, poor guys/those with a bad connection suck” one. Either way this is not really up for debate much less a way to treat costumers who do not have the “luck” to live where they want.

    The mere idea that a console *requires* users to be always online seems like a really bad joke. Console developers and even game devs (except for MMO approaches) should never result to forcing people to play a game online. Not for security reasons nor profit, not even for their own convenience (what ever that may be).

  • Elvick

    I don’t care about “always on” stuff. In that, it’ll pop on automatically to update and things like that. However, required online connections to play a game’s single player is complete bullshit. And the “always on” stuff should remain an option for people without data limits.

    What if my internet goes out? Which it does a few times every year. What if PSN/XBL/whatever is fucking up and it’s completely out of my control? Then I can’t play my games, for no reason. Diablo 3 couldn’t be played by many people when it came out because of that bullshit. Same thing with SimCity.

    It baffles the mind how some companies are so oblivious to the state of the internet. It’s not anywhere near close to a place where the entire world is able to have these kinds of things. And, even if it was, the companies can’t even handle the traffic they get launch day.

  • Methados

    Thank god I moved to PC gaming. Not even thinking about touching their stupid console after this.

  • Reon Ferratis

    Times always online has been good for a non MMO/Multiplayer game:0

    Times always online has been bad for a non MMO/Multiplayer game: Countless

    Benefits of always online for a non MMO/Multiplayer game: 0

    It’s like trying to argue that stabbing yourself in the eye with a rusty pitchfork is a good way to improve eyesight.

  • ragnathebloodedge

    He can try and remove his tweets but now the whole gaming world knows and they for starters are pissed. I bough a XBox 360 to play “Tales of Vesperia,Blue dragon,Lost Odyssey etc. but most of the time went back between PS2 and PS3 with MGS4,Valkyria Chronicles,Uncharted 1-3,Resistance 1-3, Ni no Kuni, Tales of Graces F,Folklore, White Knight chronicles, Killzone 2,3, Infamous 1&2, Littlebig Planet 1&2, Heavenly Sword, Heavy Rain,God of War III, GOW:Ascenscion, Gran Turismo 5, Wipeout HD and theres games im getting like The Last of US,Tales of Xillia, Dragon’s Crown, Beyond Two Souls,puppeteer, Time & Eternity,Disgaea D2, The Guided Fate Paradox

    So yeah FUCK you Microshaft im done with your bullshit and your Shitazs inferior Kinect that only works when it GOd Damn wants to. Im tired of Halo, GeArs, Forza and shitass Fable Journey.

  • http://www.facebook.com/micheal.scott.315 Micheal Scott

    So like who’s with me MS this-gen works ok so next-gen
    who needs it right >n<

    • JArthurRank

      u wot m8

      • MrRobbyM

        That reply will never cease to make me laugh

      • okunoin

        /dead at this

    • Rafael Martines

      Liked because you are Final Fantasy Tactics fan :P

  • DarthBrian

    Some people just deserve to get the shit kicked out of them and this is one of those guys.

    • MrRobbyM

      Nobody does, but I wouldn’t mind if it happened. *shrug*

      • Elvick

        That’s how I feel.

  • ragnathebloodedge

    Looks like Square-Enix wont be support MS like they did before FF games sell for shit on XBox 360 and get returned at Gamestop the first day of official release putting FF titles on the used section for XBox 360.
    Fact on the Xbox section youll see more used copies of FFXIII titles used than for PS3. FF games sell more on PlayStation in general FFXIII sold 5 million worldwide on PS3 while 360 version only sold 1 million.
    So yeah FF just doesnt help SE much in fact it hurt the production quality by going multiplatform.FF Versus XIII or should i say FFXV is being co-developed by SONy helping and its gonna be PS4 Exclusive
    Square will heavily support SONy once more

  • Bryce Blalex Douglas

    If Microsoft really does go with an ‘always online’ console then they have officially taken themselves out of the console game. For all the money they are shelling into their consoles an ‘always online’ target demographic is no where near enough to support it. When at least half of the gaming community still doesn’t have internet forcing this would mean taking away probably more than half of their customers away.

  • LordKaiser

    Wow 51 responses here in less than 1 hour. Record!! Anyway that guy may be trolling.

    • Bryce Blalex Douglas

      No he wasn’t trolling. That’s the damage control after Microsoft chewed his ass out

  • JArthurRank

    Oh! So now it’s trolling! Certainly not some backdoor damage control, just two guys having a bit of banter. Glad that’s sorted out. Phew!

  • MosquitoLemon

    Thank god we don’t have to play with poor people anymore!

    edit – for those who are really that stupid, yeah, this is sarcasm -_-

    • LordKaiser

      It’s just a downvote. Deal with it!

  • http://twitter.com/GematsuZero Zero

    I’m not even sure what to type here. This is one of those face-palm worthy moments. The always online stuff is a hot topic, and has been a hot topic for quite a while now.

    This is the last thing he should have done… oh man… anyways… the last thing anyone should do is take to social media and post something that could be viewed as flame-bait. I don’t buy the excuse that he didn’t see this coming either, not for a minute. I also don’t really buy the trolling bit, I think that’s just an excuse to try and put out the blazing fires.

    If the next box really does have always online, he might have not only confirmed it here, but proceeded to get legit bad press going before the big reveal. Why in the world would you do this? Who knows, rumors have said that Microsoft has been taking a wait and see approach, testing the waters with the next box.

    This is the exact opposite, this is basically poring oil in the water, and then lighting it all on fire, and then saying – Deal with it!

    Just take a look at the response from the Kotaku article earlier today. People were sorta already upset, so he decides to do that? This could be far worse than a simple social media fudge up. What else can I even type up here? Oh dear….

    This just continues to make me believe the next box is not going to be a game console first. The rumors have touched on that before, but the type of devices that tend to always be online, they aren’t used primarily for gaming.

    I just don’t understand that approach. If you want the next box to be a cable box/media box/gaming box… (Notice how gaming is last) Does that even make it a console anymore? That’s my real question here. It starts to sound more like a device that happens to play games, but is not bought just to play games. I can think of a bunch of devices like that, they are already out, and have been in some cases for years. When you think about it, most TVs are media application sets these days. You buy a new HDTV, you get all of these applications integrated into the TV.

    It makes me think… If they want to make some kind of media box thing, why try to do that now? It seems like it would have been a great idea several years ago. Now? Not so much, it seems kind silly. It sorta reminds me of the rumored Apple Console from a few years ago. It sounds quite similar when I think about it. The thing is, Apple more or less deemed that a waste of time. I think that says quite a bit, considering Apple dominates here in the US. Which is the primary market for Microsoft and the Xbox. Food for thought.

    • hush404

      Greed. Everything involved with these rumors about Microsoft forcing the next box always online, focusing on being a media hub first, it’s all them trying to get into bigger markets to grab a bigger piece of that money pie in the sky that is home entertainment. They assume they have the NA market for games and can bully their way into the home further, stepping on the backs of the gamers that got them there.

      • LordKaiser

        And they will fall. Greed has a price.

        • Ritsujun

          They’re gonna fall, hard.

      • http://twitter.com/GematsuZero Zero

        I sure hope that isn’t why. I’m not saying you are wrong or anything, I just hope not.

    • MosquitoLemon

      Gaming as a whole is on the downfall, early adopters of the PS3 defended their purchase based on the fact that it was an “amazing media machine”. Blu-ray, Netflix, media servers, oh my! Software came last, DEAD last if you liked Japanese games… MS is just following the trend it seems.

      Good thing we still have Sony and Nintendo to cater to us, at least Sony learned their lesson from the previous gen.

      • Bryce Blalex Douglas

        If both Sony and Nintendo both are learning from their mistakes how then is gaming as a whole on the downfall? If anything Microsoft is the only one on the downfall

        • MosquitoLemon

          Nintendo didn’t really make any mistakes, they’ve always had epic handhelds, and their consoles are still the go-to party systems.

          But that’s not the point, I mean in the broader sense that the majority people who buy hardware new want it to be more than just a gaming device. I’m with Zero in saying to hell with those people, but unfortunately they make up a big portion of people who buy brand new consoles.

          • Bryce Blalex Douglas

            Nintendo is learning from the mistake of neglecting their core crowd for the casual crowd only. And I agree that people do want an all in one media device but Sony has understood the mistake that even if they make their device that they have to still focus on gaming first and foremost. Microsoft has stopped caring about gaming first and foremost for a few years now. As a dedicated gaming device, will the NextBox sell with ‘always online’–No. As an all in one home media entertainment system that just so happens to play games wth ‘always online’ will it sell–Maybe.

            • MosquitoLemon

              I don’t like the core/casual dichotomy, good games are good and they have provided many for all crowds. NOA’s localization strategies during the Wii-era…. not so much

              • Bryce Blalex Douglas

                I understand you may not like the dichotomy but there is a core gamer crowd and a casual gamer crowd and Nintendo focused mainly on the casual gamer crowd with the Wii. You saying their localization strategies not being good proves this. If they were focusing on both crowds equally then they would have localized games for their core crowd earlier than last year.

                • MosquitoLemon

                  NOA is not the same as Nintendo, there are plenty of games for both crowds in Japan, we just got the short end of the stick (for the most part) in the US. It’s the same with the PSP, though less-so towards the end of its run

          • ddsfan2

            I don’t know about that, Nintendo’s 3rd party support on their post-SNES home consoles until now has been extremely limited, even on the Gamecube and Wii.

            The DS was beyond epic though, as is the 3ds, and every single handheld that they made.

            • MosquitoLemon

              Thus proving my point – consoles gaming is in freefall. We’ll see though

            • Adrian Smith

              I bought my 3DS at launch and it was basically dead software wise for a long time. So much so that they had to drastically drop the price and give us ambassador games. I enjoy my vita more than my 3DS but I do see why people like it. But Nintendo has made lots of mistakes with both the 3ds and wii u. I still want my MML3 ;_;

              • ddsfan2

                I definitely agree about the lousy launch, and I definitely enjoy the Vita (which I have already quite a few A-tier games for, even more games than I have for 3ds). What I meant more is that I see big promise in the next two years for the 3ds receiving tons of great games, (read: tons of medium to high profile third party support) like SMT4, for example.

                Plus, I didn’t have a DS, so access to that software library is a huge plus for me.

                I’m actually not sure if the Vita will ever get that many high profile games, but it really has the potential to become the ultimate niche system, at least from my perspective.

      • http://twitter.com/GematsuZero Zero

        I think that trend needs to die then.

        I want my video game consoles to be about games first, everything else second. I still bought my PS3 at launch with the goal of playing games. (I also saved up for my PS3 for months before it launched. That really helped.)

        I don’t care who releases it, if someone launches a video game console that treats gaming as some kind of additional feature or some bs, I say let’s show them how we feel by not buying it. On top of that, tell everyone else to do the same.

        • MosquitoLemon

          I’ve been hoping for it to die ever since the original XBox. The problem is that Sony followed suit with the PS3 and ended up losing a lot of great 3rd-party devs. They made up with it with the PSP (which, while not highly supported in the US, was phenomenal in Japan – the first handheld to actually gain market share from Nintendo). Now they are in a kind of limbo with the Vita which isn’t quite PSP2 or PS3-junior, yet that’s how devs are treating it.

          In either case, I know less and less people who game as I get older, and more and more people who are just interested in having shiny new tech.

          edit – also I commend you on actually caring about games, you are in the minority

          • http://twitter.com/GematsuZero Zero

            Thanks. I’m trying to stay positive when it comes to this upcoming console generation.

            • MosquitoLemon

              I have my fingers crossed as well

        • ddsfan2

          I agree very much so.

          That’s basically the same reason why I don’t game on phones, as that is the epitome of gaming put a as a secondary function.

      • ddsfan2

        I disagree, it had some pretty niche games by 2007, such as Imabikisou, and others. (well, ok, not a LOT of others, but its software was not that bad). Maybe my view on the PS3 is a little rosy, since I didn’t get one until 2010, though.

        I can’t think of any software that I cared about on any of the three consoles prior to 2007, and that year was only one game (noted above).

        Compared to the PS2, all of those systems seemed like a joke, and to an extent, still do.

        Don’t get me wrong, the PS3 library could have been much better, but I think that people have a tendency to credit obscure games to their competitors, and ignore some obscure games on the PS3, such as Aquanaut’s Holiday, Afrika, etc.

        Plus, until 2008, it had several high profile Japanese-developed exclusive franchise entries (Final Fantasy 13, Final Fantasy Versus 13, Metal Gear Solid 4).

        I do agree that MS did a great job early on, especially in 2008.

        As for Nintendo, don’t get me wrong, their software is amazingly high quality, but I haven’t been impressed by their 3rd party support, since, well the Super Nintendo, so it seems silly to criticize Sony there. I’m down for the Wii-U though.

        • MosquitoLemon

          The volume of amazing niche titles during the PS2 era was crazy, and made the PS3 look like a joke by comparison. There are definitely quality titles for the PS3, but you have to actively search them out. I can’t just pick up some randoms at a GameStop and walk home with gold.

          • ddsfan2

            I definitely agree when you put it that way. Perhaps the main reason why I didn’t agree initially is because I lost track of what it was like back in the day when I would just pick up a random Japanese (or any game really) game and it would blow me away.

            I still find tons of those type of games, but it’s probably more because I research them so damn thoroughly on the internet, not because the general situation is really that great.

            It’s good to have such high standards though!

            • MosquitoLemon

              Yeah, you have to do your work to find the good stuff. I’m glad they went HD with games like the Atelier series, but I wish there were more examples.

    • Gregory Edcius

      Maybe they’re trying a second Philips CD-I

      • http://twitter.com/GematsuZero Zero

        lol! I hope not.

  • Rafael Martines

    Microsoft (Down) X Sony (Win)

  • Sevyne

    I can’t even put into words how disgusted I am with that dude’s ignorance of the world we live in.

  • DrForbidden

    “Update: Orth has said that his debate with Heir is “just the normal daily back and forth” between the two developers.

    “Apologies for offending non-cities,” he said. “I was trolling him personally.”

    Notice how neither of them say anything about Orth’s #dealwithit line, which was not addressed to Heir specifically. Even if the some parts are trolling between friends, it does not excuse all the dismissive statements from Orth, nor does it justify his nonsense about vacuum cleaners and electricity in response to another tweet. These points all clearly indicate Orth’s opinion and short-sightedness on the ‘permanent online’ model and his disdain for consumers who do not want such a model, which no amount of posturing and backtracking can hide.

  • Solomon_Kano

    So… Orth’s fuckery pretty much just confirms these req’d connection rumors. Well, that’s settles it. No amount of anything MS can muster come E3 will be enough to get me on board with the next Xbox.

    Viva la PS4 y Wii U.

  • gomes86

    Game community are doing great together. Do a market move that part them into niches and you’ll ruin a millionaire market.
    Candies for online AND offline players MS. Or step out the floor, please.

  • Zohar127

    Well MS isn’t getting my money this gen.

  • assnonymous

    xbox720 will fail if they really do that :(

  • Adol Christin

    All this sounds like a marketing ploy to me….. and it worked.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lindsay-Soall/1160113917 Lindsay Soall

    well orth that was mature

  • Jerry

    HAH what a fuck. Then you can deal with it. Can’t wait for Watchdogs on PS4.

  • Bryce Blalex Douglas

    As an all in one home media entertainment device that also plays games the NextBox may just sell with ‘always online’. But they fail to realize that devs will not risk putting out games on a system that most people don’t have for gaming. Diablo III and SimCity forced many devs to understand that always online is just not a viable option for most games at the moment.

  • http://twitter.com/DrasRexn DrasRexn

    PS4 here I come

  • Learii

    what if my internet service down or die does that mean i can’t play games?

  • AdamBoy64

    Well, that could be confirmation that the Next Xbox will be a failure.
    Just like that.

  • Go2hell66

    PS4 PS4 PS4!

  • xxx128

    The only reason why they want their console(?) to be always on is a tcpa-like anti-piracy system. One reason microsoft is now where it is, is being… piracy.
    This in combination with their no-second-hand-games policy is probably extremely fatal for the coming xbox. Just saying…

  • Camoron

    I’m not as worried about MY internet being down as I am about THEIR SERVERS BEING DOWN.

  • Warboss Aohd

    dis woz stupid on his part, no matter wot he meant by it.

  • Tetsu

    I…don’t know what to say. But respect is not something i’m feeling right now. You can go fuck yourself Adam Orth! #dealwithit

  • Rojigami

    Wow what this prick sai today will eventaully come back to bite his ass and the company he works for. If their next console really turned out to be “always-on” then I sure as hell won’t but it, because I know for fact that Diablo 3’s messed up DRM scheme really annoyed the hell outta me, I don’t even touch that game anymore!

  • http://twitter.com/AugustAPC Austin Gustafson

    This guy is a fucking idiot. His arguments could be refuted by a god damn 4 year-old. Where do they find these morons?

    I love his response, “Saying that games do not require online isn’t accurate at all.” 99% of games don’t require online you ditz. It’s extremely accurate. Should I buy your console just for MMOs? Nah, I’ll get a nice Mac and play them on that.

    I own a 360 and it has been my primary console this generation. I’ve purchased over 60 games brand-new for it. I will not be buying a next-gen Xbox.

  • Gregory Edcius

    Not interested in the non city comment but the way he defends always online shows enough withouth microsoft announcing it it’s almost 100% certain it’ll require always online bad move

  • Guest

    many, many people will migrate from XBox to other platforms because of this nonsense… #dealwithit :-)

  • http://GamingSauce.com/ Lazar Odic

    .. Damn

  • http://twitter.com/AntonBaken Anton Baken

    I have an Xbox 360 which I’m currently playing GoW:Judgment on insane and a Top end gaming PC which I’m playing Infinite. Both PC and Xbox 360 are both always online anyway so I have no “drama” with this at all. #Dealwithit

  • don’t do it

    This is really sad. I’ve loved the xbox from the beginning but this shows how removed big wigs are from the consumer. I refuse to buy or play any game or system that is always on. It’s a disaster just waiting to happen. Look at Diablo and sim city. Any large company who is in touch with the consumer would drop all plans for always on, even in connected cities the Internet goes out randomly. What about people in rural areas, satellite Internet won’t work in this scenario and some people have data caps on home Internet. I could see maybe next console generation ten years from now when Internet is faster and cheaper for all this could be an option but as of now it’s suicide for the developer. People will reply against it. I had no intention of getting a os4 but they have confirmed no always on drm or Internet game checks meaning they still may support the used game market. If you read this Microsoft you really need to think twice. Ea fired a ceo, lost millions in stocks, lost millions of loyal adult gamers who vow never to buy an always on product all because of how pitiful sim city and it’s always on connection. Single player games do not need to be always connected. You go through with this ms and you lost a loyal customer. I liked your cheap sweatshop machine so much I owned five systems. You know my original Nintendo still works so does my dreamcast, n64, you know the only systems that have died are my original xbox and my five 360s, pathetic but that another story I supported you through your cheap insult of a system but it’s the always on that will make me not look twice at it, you will be losing the console war before it starts to the psr which is sounding better everyday. Think twice ms, you have been warned, many others share this view, you should listen to your loyal customers.

  • MenacetheDennis

    I will just leave this here….

    http://i.imgur.com/IWPsqOR.png

    why hire a guy like that >_>

  • True Gamer

    lol “#deal with it” is not a good thing to say especially if you want gamers to buy a console. As such, due to my schooling being online i am always connected but even I get disconnected from online services time to time. However, I would not judge the company’s console by the comments of one #asshole. Lets see what the console entails through presentation.

  • librtee_dot_com

    He’s right. I’ll ‘deal with it’ by not buying a new XBOX. Problem solved.

  • $30632660

    *puts on glasses* Microsoft just shot themselves in the foot!

  • http://www.facebook.com/kyle.macneil Kyle MacNeil

    Locking tweets. Apologising soon after. passing off as ‘trolling’. Mmmn. Smell dat damage control.

  • Cry_Zero

    I always hated microsoft and that even increased the hate. bastards…

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PwerlvlAmy GameNChick

    Welp with every tibit of news its looking more and more likely that this current gen is only going to consist of PS4 and Wii U. Get to play the Nintendo franchises I love and get to play all the sony exclusives/Multiplats as well with the PS4.

    Cant say I’m too disappointed. Win/Win for me lol

  • xMCXx

    Wow, that read like some Youtube comments!
    And someone like him is an important person at Microsoft?

  • Paul Rodriguez

    This guy was terribly unprofessional. He did a bad job defending this always online thing they want us to embrace. He apology was empty and meant nothing. Locking your tweets doesn’t mean that it never happened. There are many screencaps.

  • https://www.facebook.com/miyabigaming 新阿修羅(ShinAsura)

    Sony should capitalize on this with their marketing

  • https://www.facebook.com/miyabigaming 新阿修羅(ShinAsura)
  • michel

    Why does he mention Diablo III and Sim City?

    I haven’t played those. Did some kind of online troubles happen with such games?

    • wiimanclassic

      You need to be online to play either one. At all.

      Why yes all previous games in both series had large offline single player modes and no reason for always online crap in the new ones, why do you ask?

  • john

    I am done purchasing xbox consoles after reading this.

  • WENDiGO

    That’s right…just keep shooting yourself in the foot. Anything dealing with next gen consoles that comes out of an employee’s mouth that works in the gaming division of microsoft or sony is considered as a confirmation these days. Only a idiot would spill the beans on something like this.

  • camaro300zx

    I don’t have internet connection at home. If I want to browse the Internet its at work on my breaks. Facebook, Twits, etc… are all Lame. Why can’t gaming be more like the Super Nintendo/Genesis days. Friends, brothers, sisters all hanging out in the same room.

  • http://gematsu.com/author/ro-kurorai 浪黒雷 (Roland Gmyrek)

    Providing bad press even before the system had been officially unveiled by hiring a total douche bag, way to go MS-Xbox division, way to go. In that case Xbox3 is dead on arrival, for me at least. MS should really re-evaluate their hiring requirements as they don’t seem very sophisticated after those asinine and infantile comments made by their “creative director”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/azifri Azifri María Cristina

    That moment when you realize that you live in Blacksburg VA :(

  • GhostNomad

    While I didn’t really have much interest in the next Xbox, this definitely made my decision easier. Also, this GIF on Shinobi’s post is just… Marvelous. http://i.minus.com/iZ4Xc7uzxvJUA.gif

  • http://www.facebook.com/silahkan.disini.7 Silahkan Promosi Disini

    And i believe with this Ridiculous Announcement with Always On, Next Xbox is the most Fail Console ever. 100% I’m not gonna buy this, until the Next Xbox price drop to $99 + Bundle Games

  • Budgiecat

    Down with Microsoft!

  • ragnathebloodedge

    Ive bought an Xbox 360 only to become saddened at how muh M$ decisions have enrage hardcore gamers. Then again i mostly stuck with my PS3 this gen play its best games that i preffered over Halo, Gears, DorA ad the Industry Ruining CoD iwth its timed exclusive map packs.

    Adam Orth i dont give a fuck if its a joke or not its fucked up and you need your ASS kicked so fuck you