Final Fantasy VII Remake battle system in trial-and-error phase
posted on 08.25.15 at 10:52 AM EDT by (@salromano)
'We're looking at how we can surprise players.'

Final Fantasy VII Remake

Famitsu this week features an interview with Yoshinori Kitase, who is producing the upcoming Final Fantasy VII Remake for PlayStation 4.

“We’re starting to see the visual direction,” Kitase said of the remake. “On the other hand, we’re currently working out the battle system and such through trial-and-error.”

“Since there’s a possibility that the command battle system of the old days might not work today, we’re thinking hard about what kind of direction we can take it.

“Normally, when you do a remake, it becomes somewhere along the lines of a familiar action RPG, so we’re looking at how we can put out something like Final Fantasy VII while still surprising players.

“Please don’t ask about how far into development we are and such. (Laughs.)”

The Final Fantasy VII Remake does not have a release date.

Thanks, Hachima Kikou.

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  • The Silent Hours

    If they’ve decided on real-time combat then it’ll be in the error-and-error phase until release day.

    • quodvadis

      Better than ATB.

      • Jerox

        i agree… 100 percent, give some life to this old classic

  • XiaomuArisu

    Dont forget that people hated the Lufia remake.
    Replacing turn based combat with action turned many off

  • Martian Wong

    Maybe Tetsuya Nomura is trying to achieve what he couldnt with Final Fantasy XV/ Versus XIII.

    • Obelisk

      You mean a more gritty Kingdom Hearts battle system? That’s what Nomura wanted with XV and he pretty much did.

  • Ksatmata

    can you (SE) make a new genre of RPG?

  • DivineSoulXIV

    Maybe make it like lightning returns, that battle system was pretty fun!

    • gulabjamal

      agreed! but with multiple people in your party

      • DivineSoulXIV

        Exactly!

  • MyBodyIsReady

    “We’re looking at how we can surprise players”

    Lol you’re funny Squeenix

  • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

    You can surprise them by not fucking with the battle system.

    • Veleskola

      A plain jane remake would be kinda boring TBH. It is afterall a remake. But lets not judge it before we at least have the chance to see it.

      • Manny Being Manny

        The best remakes keep the core gameplay of the game while improving it. Like imagine The Resident Evil remakes being turned into turn based strategy games or something “just to make it different”.

        • Veleskola

          Yes and they can achieve that by changing the battle system while still maintaing the same systems.

          • Manny Being Manny

            You keep the core gameplay by changing the core gameplay? What?

        • CallMeGod

          Why ask for a remake and not a remaster if all you guys want is pretty graphic, but having pretty graphics don’t really matter in a video game. Seem to me like it does.

          • Elvick

            Because it’d be nice to see a lot of the scenes in modern graphics, not that complicated.

            I’d kill to be able to see Terra transform into her Esper form for the first time in CG. It would be absolutely amazing.

      • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

        I’m not asking for a “plain jane” remake though. I’m saying improve everything else, but leave the battle system alone.

  • Lara Croft

    “Please don’t ask about how far into development we are and such. (Laughs.)” —- this should pretty much give you an idea when the games coming out :(

  • vishmarx

    HATE fest begins in 3…2…oh im late

    • Lara Croft

      Honestly, they could do a 100% accurate remake. And fans would still hate.

  • DesmaX

    It’s gonna be on that phase for a loooooooong time

  • Hatsuaki

    I am looking forward to it, but I hope they don’t tweak it too much to the point it isn’t even remotely similar to the original battlesystem…

  • Reda

    don’t understand what he means by this:

    “Normally, when you do a remake, it becomes somewhere along the lines of a familiar action RPG”

  • Crocko@

    Now they will add stealth system beside changing it into action rpg

    • bigbuddyinthesky

      Persona 5 much lol

      • articuzwolf

        P5 is still turn based rpg. The stealth and jump are added to the dungeon crawler aspects of the game

        • bigbuddyinthesky

          I know I know haha I was just joking :P

  • articuzwolf

    And here comes the RANTS about not preserving the Turn Based gameplay and for every changes they made which isn’t just a graphical improvement…AGAIN
    .

    • Phelan

      Uh oh baiting once again.

  • bigbuddyinthesky

    I’m assuming this releases in 2017 well more I want it to with square sadly a release of there big games are close to 10 years. :(

  • bigbuddyinthesky

    What battle system would you guys like? I personally would like kingdom Hearts hybrid, but not Ff15’s combat.

    • Lara Croft

      I think FFXII would be ideal. It’s the perfect balance between turn and action based.

      • bigbuddyinthesky

        Too slow and clunky :/

        • Lara Croft

          I liked it, to each his own :)

          • bigbuddyinthesky

            Yea you right :D

      • The Fabulous Wombat

        I always hated hybrid combat system. Give me a full on turn based gameplay, or straight up action gameplay….the middle ground is shit.

        • Lara Croft

          I really enjoyed it, to each his own :)

          • The Fabulous Wombat

            No, not to each his own. If you don’t like what i like, then you don’t deserve the air you breathe!!!!

      • Taiga Aisaka

        just like WKC right ? i dont hate it but also not really my favorite

    • Manny Being Manny

      I would like an ATB system with commands. What we’ll get is a Cloud action game with very minimal control over your party members.

      • bigbuddyinthesky

        I would still want full control over my party though. (My opinion)

    • articuzwolf

      Tales (of Grace F) combat

      • Yaro

        That would be pretty sweet. Despite it being very direct control kind of gameplay, with FF XV its not entirely out of the question.

      • zacksiva

        Yea, graces f was lovely. Loved the battle mechanics!

      • bigbuddyinthesky

        I loved that combat system but I don’t think the system will flow with the graphics style of this game.

    • The Fabulous Wombat

      If it were up to me, it would be FF7: DMC edition. I would enjoy that the most, personally. But, i would be fine with anything really.

      • articuzwolf

        LOL people went nuts just because they MIGHT change it to arpg

        make it a full blown hack n slash action and there will be blood XD

      • Vlah

        Final Fantasy 7: The Remake by Platinum Games!

        • The Fabulous Wombat

          Well, Scalebound-esque, then?

        • zacksiva

          My god! That would b awesomeeeee. Imagine tifa fighting like bayonetta! N cloud and zack n sephiroth going crazy like dante n virgil!!

    • Aulix Indragonz

      like FF XV for me
      i think it’s just fits FF VII remake
      although like KH is also good

      • bigbuddyinthesky

        Idk I just can’t get into the demo fight system for Ff15 :/ but kh sounds like a good fit if they are aming for the kinda battles from advent children.

  • Bonn Bo

    The flood gates are about to burst.

  • Manny Being Manny

    “Since there’s a possibility that the command battle system of the old days might not work today”

    I hate statements like this. Its like saying that turn based in archaic and not doable anymore while stuff like Persona and Dragon Quest show its still a totally viable system.

    • Kiryu

      SE being SE again.That’s like saying chess doesnt work today,retarded thinking.

    • The Fabulous Wombat
    • Elvick

      You’d think they’d know that’s not true with Bravely Default success. But no.

      Hell, Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth did well and it’s turn based too. [hope it does well in the west too]

  • DarthBrian

    They better not make it a full-on action RPG. Just cuz it’s a Remake, you don’t have to do anything drastic with it.

    They should be looking at Resident Evil REmake for inspiration here. >_>

    • Vlah

      I think he just misphrased himself.
      It’s kind of hard to imagine FF VII as a full-on action RPG with the silly cast doing stylish combos and stuff.
      I think he meant that they are making it more dynamic.
      Honestly, I don’t really care if they make it a full-on action game as long as it’s fun.

  • Yaro

    Make it like LR and Im happy.

    I have full confidence in SE they will make an enjoyable battle system, they havent disappointed me ever. I loved how each FF is different one way or another and Im ok with the direction FF took in the past 5 years (combat wise anyway).

    I let go of the fact that story is style over substance and just enjoy the ride. It will be interesting how crazy the cutscenes and how melodramatic the dialogues will get in the remake.

  • articuzwolf

    SE should hire Pete Hines (Bethesda VP of Marketing PR) to deal with complaints regarding their vision and project

    “Generally speaking . . . I think we’re an industry, we’re a form of entertainment. As with most forms of entertainment, you never get 100 percent agreement on anything. And so, at the end of the day, whether it’s what the graphics look like or whether the gameplay is what you want or whether you like the setting, or whatever it is, everybody is entitled to their opinion.”

    • DarthBrian

      Pete Hines is an idiot.

      • The Fabulous Wombat

        Why?

        • DarthBrian

          That quote.

          • The Fabulous Wombat

            But it’s pretty much the truth.

            • articuzwolf

              Truth is hurt that’s why

  • Suraimu

    So they have no idea what they are doing and are just trying things and see what sticks. Not very reassuring.

    • The Fabulous Wombat

      Well, how else are you supposed to create something?

      • Elvick

        Figure out what you’re doing first, then announce it.

        Just a crazy idea.

        • The Fabulous Wombat

          And? The development process still wouldn’t change.

          • Elvick

            … if you don’t understand that my point is that they are receiving criticism, because they announced the game without knowing what they will do with it, then I don’t know what to tell you.

    • articuzwolf

      Even a movie have a pre-production process where they prepare and tested a lot of things including costumes, CG and visual effects before they start shooting…

    • KingNigma

      just one of them threads..

  • DarthBrian

    *sigh*

    Regardless of whatever happens, in Nomura I trust.

    If Nomura’s the director, it’ll turn out great I’m sure. I just hope Kitase doesn’t have veto power over him or something dumb like that.

    I just wish they would leave the combat alone. It worked perfectly in FFVII. It’s really only the graphics and maybe the story that needs updating.

    • Obelisk

      The combat hasn’t aged well. It also wouldn’t work with graphics like XV which what they are going for.

      • DarthBrian

        I think it’ll work just fine. *shrug*

      • Timberman

        I think it worked fine in ffx back in the day, and still fine on the remaster

        • Yuntu

          FFX didn’t really had ATB and was real turnbased gameplay. General I would say the old systems still would work, but them modern stuff thrown into the mix would be nice. Like no random encounters, no battletransition and some added features for the combat to make it more appealing while staying true to the core.

    • Reda

      I trust Nomura too but he’d turn it into an action rpg if he wanted it. Kitase is saying that it probably won’t be an action rpg. “so we’re looking at how we can put out something like Final Fantasy VII while still surprising players” tells me they won’t be going that route.

  • Lansou Everett

    Final Fantasy games, especially the spinoffs like X-2, Tactics, Crisis Core etc, always have amazing battle systems so i have complete faith in this. Hopefully it’ll be an action RPG with TB elements like Rogue Galaxy or a more actiony FFXII.

    • articuzwolf

      > XIII
      > Amazing Battle System

      • Lansou Everett

        I mean, the overal game was bad, but there was nothing bad about the battle system. It was super fast, challenging, full of variety, unique etc.

        • Vlah

          Then, how is the game bad?
          I’m looking at it right now (my brother is playing) and aside from being linear, it’s fine to me.

          • Lansou Everett

            I didn’t mind the linearity at all, it’s the story and the characters that i didn’t like. It would’ve been a good RPG if it were a separate game, but it doesn’t hold up to the FF standards.

            • Vlah

              Oh, ok.

        • Phelan

          It was super fast… and as stupid as possible. I mean “stupid” as “you didn’t need to use brain for a second”.

          It was autobattle… even without autobattle you did pretty much same stuff over and over again, because it lacked strategy elements.

          • Vlah

            What do you mean “even with autobattle you did pretty much the same stuff over and over again, because it lacked strategy elements”?
            How is it different than other main entries in which: enemy does attack, you block or heal, attack in return and as a side use ailments, buffs, debuffs, all the while you pay attention to the stats and what the enemy is immune to?

            • Phelan

              You pretty much explained it yourself.

              Previous entries required you to actualy care about status ailments, buffs and debuffs and exploiting weaknesses. FF XIII was just an autobatle system, game that played itself. You could even beat final boss by just spaming autobattle and sometimes changing paradigms…

              Now… imagine fightnig Malboro, Catoblepas, Abaddon etc. without actualy thinking battle through.

              • Vlah

                I understood that but your statement “*without* autobattle, there is no strategy” is confusing.
                Without autobattle (which you are not obligated to use) it is basically like the older games in which you care about buffs, weaknesses, ailments, etc…
                Like I wrote down, I’m watching my brother play it (no autobattle) and he uses buffs, debuffs, healing, counters, exploiting weaknesses, summoning…
                Looks nice, there is strategy, like the older entries.

                • Phelan

                  Oh ok… you are watching someone play it.

                  And here is the difference… I did play it by myself. Even more, I platted it. I played every part in the series by myself. I completed every game in series apart from FF XII which was too boring for me.

                  Believe me… there is no strategy in this game.

                  • Vlah

                    You missed my point again… But listen:
                    I’m not watching a Youtube Let’s Play…
                    I’m right next to him, seeing him pressing the inputs and we are talking about the game and how to beat enemies and everything.
                    I’m pretty much also playing.

                    Here is the real difference: he doesn’t use autobattle, you did use it.
                    It has strategy as I am watching it with my own eyes.
                    Aside from autobattle (which you are not obligated to use, again) the system is the same like in older games (as if the older FF had super advanced strategy or something…).
                    This is just flashier.

                    • Phelan

                      There is something funny in people claiming that someone missed the point when in fact it’s them who in the first place missed it.

                      Ok, look. Once again.

                      Even WITHOUT using auto battle you pretty much spam the same skills over and over again. Game from the very begining is holding your hand so as not to allow you to make any mistake. And no sitting next to someone who is playing is not “pretty much also playing”.

                      I will give you cookie if you will show me where I said that I used autobattle.

                      I died in FF XIII only… once. When I first challanged Adamantoise thinking that maybe I will win either way.

                      And you are surely joking when you say that the system is the same apart from that. It’s so clear that you didn’t play any previous games to begin with. You know why steam edition have cheat engine? Because there are many gamers like you, who think that FF XIII (which is the easiest game in the series, and doesn’t require you to plan anything at all) is example of demanding battle system.

                      The end. Let’s end this discussion. I’m not interested in your reply. I won’t read it, so… yeah… have a nice day. Whether you reply or not is up to you though.

                    • Vlah

                      Woah, what’s with the heat? Normal discussion here.
                      Well, from my side, you didn’t explain yourself at all.
                      You just went” There is no strategy”. That’s it.
                      How are older more advanced?
                      The reason why I think you used autobattle is because you stated over and over that it is “only autobattle”.
                      I did play the previous ones and it is funny to me when someone like you thinks that XIII has no strategy and that older FF had any better.
                      They are basic.
                      Very basic.
                      In the older ones, you also use the same tactic “over and over”.
                      You can change the appearance a bit but it’s still just a “Japanese turn-based strategy game”.
                      I didn’t think it’s challenging and I don’t think the previous ones are too.
                      It’s a matter of your stats vs enemy stats.
                      You can just remain like that, thinking that older FF combat is “advanced”.

                      Oh, and seeing as the game is pretty much like a turn-based game and doesn’t require skill, sitting with someone and discussing “strategy” is pretty much playing with someone.
                      Have a nice day.

                    • zacksiva

                      Dude, no offense. But did u actually play ff7 n beat the weapons on ur first playthrough on ur own? Without cheats? If so, you will know what it means. If you ask me, xiii has very basic battle system. You dont have to be smart to win the so called tough battles.

                    • Vlah

                      By weapons, you mean the optional superbosses like Ruby and Emerald?
                      They are just tough bosses.
                      Kingdom Hearts has the toughest optional bosses and the battle system isn’t any deeper than DMC.
                      My point is that neither FF XIII or FF VII have a particularly advanced strategy to them.
                      At the base they are pretty much the same.

                      Not being mean or anything. To me, we are cool. Just, y’know, FF doesn’t really have a super deep strategy like he claims.

                    • zacksiva

                      Kh n original dmc are my fav too!
                      For strategy battle, ffvii proportionate its release year`s tech. It was awesome n acted as brain food for all of us. Meanwhile, xiii could hv done better, instead they just made it seem like …..less unique, except for the summons

                    • Vlah

                      Ok, that’s fair.

                    • zacksiva

                      Yes. I died so many times discovering n fighting them at lower level n inadequate equipments, materia, summon etc. But later part, still killed them on first playthrough, using strategy n predictions. I felt the heat. But xiii lacked that spice. I still loved the graphics! But for me…the battle system was…..somehow lacking in terms of strategy

                    • zacksiva

                      Phelan, i feel u. Esp when u mentioned strategy. When we got to fight the Weapon. All of them. N lost so many times n created strategy to win those tough battles without cheats. Thats the real ffvii. I really wish they wld stick to SIMILAR battle but improved graphics n perhaps, more button timing for even more spl effects. Else if they r willing to put more work n effort. They could give players choice of bzttle gameplay.
                      Ffxiii was not bad. But because they tried to please all kinds of players, xbox n ps n pc gamers, they made it easy. Simple battle. Nothing unique about each character except summon.

                    • Phelan

                      Ha! That’s like music for my soul. One mention of weapons and I feel tingling in my bones.

                      Though frankly speaking I prefer fight with both Ozma and Kaiser Dragon.

                      That’s the thing… I remember my fights with those end game bosses. I still remember how enjoyable those fights were… but I can’t say the same about FF XIII end game boss. Hell, I don’t even remember how he looked like… I don’t even remember what was his name.

                      That’s mainly because I saw him once… and didn’t even break a sweat. It just felt as he was just another mob…

                      I can’t stand when people who knows nothing about previous parts speaks about them as if they know everything about those. Dying was part of previous games. I mean… hell as if it was only spamming “attack” button when you first left Exdeath Castle. Hell as if it was mindless battle when you reached Ancient City.

                      It’s so visible when those who didn’t play previous games try to act as if they were some lifelong fans of series.

                  • Yuntu

                    I also did everything in XIII and is has more strategy than other entries in the franchise and plays basically the same just faster. I really don’t see your problem with the battlesystem.

                    • Vlah

                      He has some weird nostalgia bias or something.

          • Kiryu
          • Lansou Everett

            I never used autobattle because i don’t buy games so that the CPU can play for me.

          • zacksiva

            I think SE got lazy

        • Elvick

          It was bad. I’ve been over this so much…

          Game over on character KO, despite two other party members to switch to or who can revive you… which leads me to

          No character switching

          No real AI choices, after the incredible Gambit System in XII… they give us… barely any choice. If I had a nickel for the single “cure” that the AI would give me, forcing me to become a healer just to heal above the damage I was taking on, I could have bought SE and have stopped XIII-2 and LR from existing.

          AoE abilities, yet you can’t manually move. The AI stands in AoE effected areas.

          Tank… again, since the AI doesn’t like to move out of the way of AoE, the stupid healer just chills by the tank who is supposed to be taking aggro away from the other characters… but since it’s AoE damage, it hits them anyway. Since they choose to ride the ass of the tank instead of move away.

          The battle system is a hot mess. It would be acceptable if it were from a new studio, but it was from SE. A company who has a long history of making RPGs and battle systems. Garbage.

          It’s like they decided to ignore everything they ever learned and just do whatever. And it shows.

          • Lansou Everett

            For me, those points only add to the strategy and chellenge elements. People have been hopping on the XIII hate train for too long and will even nag on its strong points. It would be a decently appreciated game had it not have had the FF moniker.

            • Elvick

              There is no strategy in those things. It’s just bad design. And it’s not a fair challenge to overcome bad design. Ninja Gaiden isn’t well designed, it’s poorly designed. Unfair to increase longevity. Birds off screen flying right at you when you jump by a pit and get knocked back in is bad design. Not good design.

              • Lansou Everett

                Yes, platforming hack n slash games are definitely the same thing as turn based RPGs. I didn’t like Ninja Gaiden either but i wouldn’t compare XIII’s design to that.

                • Elvick

                  I’m not comparing the designs, I’m giving an example of bad design and how it affects the difficulty of a game. The same thing applies regardless of genre. Way to miss the point entirely.

    • Budgiecat

      you woulda been fine if you just said Rogue Galaxy. Maybe throw Grandia in there.
      But no you had to ruin your post with XIII auto play control only Lightning battle system,,,

      • Lansou Everett

        I edited out that cursed romanic number. Better?

    • zacksiva

      Y is viii awful? Its unique in its own way! Would love it if they remake it too!

  • Obelisk

    Square really needs to keep their mouth shut. There’s no reason to tell this.

    • Budgiecat

      can you give me her plse for my Christmas

  • Phelan

    But I don’t want to be suprised… I loved FF VII for what it was.. just give it better graphic and voila.

    • Pete K

      That would be a waste of a remake. Besides, FFVII’s battle system is extremely bland by today’s standards. They should try to do something to spice it up and make it more modern.

      • Phelan

        That is your opinion.

        You know why FF VII still is one of the most popular games? (Because IT STILL IS seing as most of times it shows in PSN charts!) Because of FF VII being FF VII, and that means story, music, gameplay, battle system… everything.

        No point in fixing something which is not broken, just to please some people that most probably never even played FF VII before.

        • Pete K

          There’s no point in doing the same game again. If you want the same experience, then just play the original. Luckily Nomura & Co agree with me and not you.

          • Phelan

            Doing the same game again is releasing steam port on PSN.

            FF VII with graphic upgrade would be BIG DEAL.

            No point in trying to please people who didn’t play FF VII in the first place. Doubt that anyone who loves FF VII would agree with you.

            • KingNigma

              i agree with him

            • Pete K

              I played FFVI & VII at release and both are among my favorite FFs. I just don’t let my nostalgia goggles blind me. FFVII’s battle system wasn’t fundamentally broken, but neither is it some perfect thing that needs no improving or changing. I also don’t think ATB is the be-all end-all of JRPG battle systems, so if Nomura & many of the people behind the original FFVII think they can make a better experience by not sticking too closely to the past, I trust them way more than some nostalgia-blinded purists.

              • Phelan

                haha, no sorry I don;t believe you.

                • Pete K

                  That’s your problem. I have no reason to lie. I’m just not big on using nostalgia as a reason to deny creative people trying new things. FFVII isn’t a perfect game.

              • zacksiva

                SE wont let nomura try a creative new system. They wld force him to make a universal gameplay that all players would fit right in

            • Yuntu

              I love VII and agree with him. It sounds like what you want is a remaster and not a remake.

          • zacksiva

            Dude. Ur right, but it should be voted by demo battle system. To be fair to some of us who wants to share the nostalgic memories with others. Change due to pressure is not always good. They might screw the battle system in many ways.

        • zacksiva

          Its not broken. But now se is all about making money , wanting to reach larger audience. To sell their best product to everyone. And they know that ,we, ffvii fans will buy the remake,No matter what. Hence they will modify drastically to attract others.

      • Kiryu

        You don’t change things to make it modern,you change it to improve it.Changing just because it’s modern is the main reason the FF brand is damaged.

        • Pete K

          Lol, no it’s not. It’s damaged due to SQEX’s issues with their dated development practices, which then negatively affected the quality of the games they were developing as well (FFXIII, FFXIV 1.0). It’s that SQEX FAILED to modernize FF that they’ve faltered. FFXII is a modernized version of FF and it’s one of the most critically acclaimed entries in the franchise.

          • Phelan

            yeah… that actualy explains why Bravely Default sold better than Lighting Return.

            And you are surely joking about FF XII being the most critically acclaimed entry in franchise. It was one of the most criticised game in the entire series. 50% don’t like it, 50% like it.

            You can check even here:
            http://kotaku.com/5979711/lets-rank-the-final-fantasy-games-best-to-worst

            Stop trying to present your opinions as facts…because you are far from being right. Thank you and goodbye.

            • Pete K

              FFXII’s average review score is over 90.

              • Phelan

                yeah… and FF XIII-2 got perfect score on famitsu.

                FF XII is not critically aclaimed. Again there is group who love it, there is group who hate it. Even FF X-2 didn’t have as much varified opinions about game.

                • Kiryu

                  And there is a reason XIII-2 and Lightning returns flopped.

                • Pete K

                  FFXII is critically acclaimed. Its Metacritic average is 92. That’s the definition of critically acclaimed. Some FF fans throwing a hissyfit over it being different doesn’t mean it’s not critically acclaimed.

                  • KainArkanos

                    You quoted metacritic as a valid source for anything, you just invalidated your entire argument.

                  • Budgiecat

                    Def would NOT want this game to play like FF XII, XV, or XIII series

            • Kiryu

              Brings up reviews to prove his point.

              http://media1.giphy.com/media/6OWIl75ibpuFO/giphy.gif

              • Pete K

                They are opinions just as much as yours.

                • Kiryu

                  They are opinions of a few reviewers,that’s all.I respect the opinion of gamers more then some random journos.

                  • Pete K

                    A fanbase like FF’s opinions are rarely worth listening to. They can’t agree on anything.

                    • Kiryu

                      Not surprised SE fucks up on a regular basis if they think like you then.I honestly don’t even care about this game because my trust in SE is gone long time ago,only game i keep in check is Star Ocean 5.

                    • Pete K

                      SQEX does listen to fan feedback, just shows you don’t know anything when you sprout BS like that. I just don’t think they should listen to it too much, especially in cases like this remake with nostalgia-blinded fans like you trying to prevent them from making any changes.

                    • Kiryu

                      They can make all the changes they want i don’t care.

            • Pete K

              Bravely Default selling better than Lightning Returns has nothing to do with anything I said.

              And some shitty Kotaku blog listing isn’t any kind of argument against FFXII.

              • zacksiva

                Ffxii was awesome in its own way!

          • Vashe

            FFXII one of the most acclamed entries ???? In which parallel universe are you living lol ?

        • The Fabulous Wombat

          All i know is is that i want random encounters dead, and i want seamless battles. Transitions and random encounters are one of the few things we can really call outdated, me thinks.

          • Kiryu

            That i can agree on,make the ennemies visible.

      • Mozendo

        >bland by today’s standards
        Lol no

        • Kiryu

          More like the reverse.

          • Pete K

            FFVII’s battle system is a very basic ATB-like battle system. It does absolutely nothing special. It looked nice at the time of release, but it’s as basic as JRPG battle systems go. There are a lot more things than just random battles that can be changed that can make the experience a more entertaining one.

        • Pete K

          Overly simple, then. You do nothing else but pick “Attack” 99% of the time.

          • Mozendo

            And yet people who first played FF7 for the first time ever since it was added to PSN and Steam loved it.
            It’s a turn-based RPG, they don’t need to re-invent the wheel they’ve been the same since the early 1970s

      • Elvick

        Make it first person, swords are lame and played out by today’s standards. Give Cloud a gun instead.

        Hey, FPS. You know the story isn’t modern enough. Toss it all away. Make it solely military. I think I’m onto something.

        brb, going to apply for a job at SE so I can make FFVII the game you deserve!

  • Cocteau

    If they are going to make it turn-based it would have to look something like Lost Odyssey to be worthwhile.

    I’d rather they completely change the gameplay, I’d like to experience the game differently not the exact same way and I’m glad SE actually realizes this.

  • Daniel Masterson

    how far into development are you guys?

    • kristijanEX

      55 % probably. And after a year it’ll probably be 60 %.

      • Kiryu

        So expect the game in maybe 2025?

        • kristijanEX

          I’m calling 2017, 20th anniversary of FFVII, unless they want to release it in 2027 for the 30th anniversary.

          • Vashe

            2027 seems more probable to me that 2017 lol We’re talking about squerenix, FFVS13 hm… FF15 was announced for the PS3 back in 2006 lol and it’s still not out on PS..4

            • kristijanEX

              FF15 had problems with development and had a complete make over to the story, some characters, graphics..etc. FF7R was in development since 2014 and it’s a game that was already made so they only need to make the graphics and gameplay modern, also the translation and they’re fine. I can see a September 2017 release date which is 2 years from now, a little less.

        • Unknowingreaper

          I’d say 2019

      • The Fabulous Wombat

        You get an E for effort.

        • kristijanEX

          Shouldn’t SE get an E for Effort ? I mean they’ve already done 55% of the game, but will struggle with the rest of the game. They should rename themselves to Square Effort. Anyways you didn’t get me with that E school mark reference since my country uses numbers for grade marks.

        • Unknowingreaper

          Why when this excatly what square is know for

  • Shulk

    i woulnd’t mind a battle system similar to Xenogears with some new Innovations to it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL-_0Yo4ZMQ

    I like FFVII but IMO Xenogears is still my #1 favorite Squaresoft RPG. Regardless I’m still gonna get the FFVII Remake just to see how differently it plays out from the original.

  • The Fabulous Wombat

    Hey, maybe FF 7: Dragon Age edition?

    • Cocteau

      what isometric?

      • Kiraly

        The part where you can pause to give commands ever 10 seconds like in Origins.

      • The Fabulous Wombat

        Well, i myself love isometric games, so i wouldn’t mind. But no, i was thinking more about character switching and pausable realtime combat part of DA.

        • Cocteau

          That’d be nice, as long as I have control over the party members idc what they do with the gameplay.

    • Unknowingreaper

      That’s FF15 don’t get mixed up

      • The Fabulous Wombat

        Not exactly, can’t controll party members directly and combat is a lot more stats and equipment based in DA, while FF XV is more skill based.

        • Unknowingreaper

          Crap your right

  • RunningWild1984

    Make it like Chrono Trigger.

    • zacksiva

      Old is gold!

  • dude

    Everyone relax…even if they fuck it up they can just Remake it again.

  • http://the-critical-hit.tumblr.com/ Kijof

    Please, be like Lost Odyssey :(

  • tokyobassist

    Wow…people really expected something turned based after all the strides towards Real Time in the last decade?

    That’s just naive. Knew this remake would be Pandora’s Box. Ain’t gonna be pretty once gameplay leaks.

    That said, I’m sure it will be decent gameplay wise but story is definitely going to bring about some changes people are going to hate.

    • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

      Its okay for it to be action. But i just wish turn based wasn’t dying. I like those.

      • zacksiva

        Very true indeed……sadly. but hey, bravely default was brave enough!

        • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

          Wish it was on psn too.

    • Vashe

      Tehre are plenty of new turn based JRPG
      Neptunia, Fairy Fencer, The last remnant, Bravely default; Bravely second, ect…

  • Unknowingreaper

    Don’t ask? why not just don’t announce the freakin game until you have something concrete. Nerve of this guy. Other news since gematsu has not reported it street fighter v beta is up from 4 to 12 pm in North America for a few days starting today.

    • tokyobassist

      Because this gen is about early announcements and hype predicated on optimistic hope.

      • Unknowingreaper

        No kidding

      • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

        And that is bad. Shouldnt be that way.

  • AliceEngine

    Apparently nowadays every shooter must be a bloody FPS and every RPG must be a bloody aRPG. I’m getting real sick of all this genre homogenization.

    • Pete K

      They are even saying that they don’t want to make it an action RPG, so I don’t know why you’d throw a hissyfit.

    • tokyobassist

      Same can be said for any Japanese game as well though.

    • Unknowingreaper

      I just don’t see it working out just doing a remake with updated graphics. Watching cloud do attackx6 or fighting a giant house like creature would just mesh with HD graphics

    • The Fabulous Wombat

      Depends at what places you are looking, mate.

    • MetalRizeAwesomeOnmipenismon

      Wut.

      I’m pretty sure their have been more TPS than FPS…..Even at E3…

      Like you don’t even have to dig deep to not find a FPS

  • http://mark115.tumblr.com King of Nowhere

    “Please don’t ask about how far into development we are and such.” – Hahaha.

    Man this remake makes me trembles. Sometimes I don’t if I truly want it.

    • Kiryu
      • http://mark115.tumblr.com King of Nowhere

        Like they are testing the combat system so it means that are very very early into development. I’d rather not be excited, hahaha. The last time I let a game explode my mind it was around ten years ago and I’ve been waiting for it until today.

      • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

        Tired.

    • Kao

      Some fans actually believe this’ll get a 2017 release to fall on the 20 year anniversary, lol.

      • http://mark115.tumblr.com King of Nowhere

        Maybe. If they stop working on everything that they are right now. Forget KHIII, new IPs and FFXV.

        • Kao

          Well, they said ffxv was coming for 2016(which no one believes) and kh3 release date may as well be a mystery and new IPs…sigh

          • http://mark115.tumblr.com King of Nowhere

            I believe will be delaybe at least once. We are not getting KHIII untill 2017. This is what I think. I’d rather be suprised than frustrated once again by SE.

          • http://mark115.tumblr.com King of Nowhere

            I bet that FFXV will be delayed at least once. I don’t think we are getting KHIII untill mid 2017. And their new entries, well… We know it’s about ‘sadness’. We should keep our expectations low ’cause it’s like people say: it’s better to be suprised than frustrated – once again in the case of SE.

            • Kao

              My expectations are so depressingly low that I wouldn’t be surprised if all of these games got delayed pass 2020.

              • http://mark115.tumblr.com King of Nowhere

                Our hearts are safe this way, hahaha.

        • Noctis Pendragon

          Making 1 game at once wouldn’t work at all for SE

          They prefer to work in small teams they said .

  • TigerSuplex

    Whether it’s real-time or turn-based just leave character switching in.

    • zacksiva

      They better! Else it will kill all the other character s uniqueness

  • Elle

    Just don’t FFXV it (only control Cloud)

    • Budgiecat

      that is a bullshit battle system lol

  • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

    Make the battle system like Grandia games and wild arms 3. And make it so you hit buttons to extend combos and dodge attacks. Characters jog all over the area and exchange hits.

    • zacksiva

      Miss those type of games!

      • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

        Yeah! And if they did the ff7 it’d provide action and turn based tactics and you control the whole party. Hell lets do 4 people in battle.

        • zacksiva

          Ambitious…but hey, who knows. At this point anything can happen! Hehehe

    • Elvick

      Wouldn’t mind a LoD/Super Mario RPG addition, where you have timed defense and attacks/combos. I think the only FF with that kind of thing was FFVIII with the gunblade.

      • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

        As long as they don’t make it like LoD and make it super precise. I played it and the almost exact and still it wouldn’t do correct damage.

        • Elvick

          LoD had a learning curve, especially some of the later attacks. Yikes… but I liked it for what it was. But yeah, I’d prefer it not be that complex. Which is why I put in Mario RPG too. Forgot what it’s called or I would have just said that.

          • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

            Inside Story? Them inside Bowser?

      • Taiga Aisaka

        yeah LoD battle is super solid ! it really adds action element while keeping it turn based

  • Yuntu

    Goddamn some posts in this thread, when the first gameplay leaks I should probably not read anything below it.

    • Kao

      I’m gonna buy me some popcorn the day they reveal the gameplay.

      • Taiga Aisaka

        you mean the “battle” gameplay. yeah. gonna be a happy time

  • Kao

    I love turned based and arpg equally. I don’t understand all the fuss, they either just release the same game with modern graphics or try something new.

  • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

    More than anything make sure the game isn’t made shorter or broke up into dlcs or the world map removed.

    • Maroš Goč

      FF VII is huge, i dont think the whole world map will be included

      • zacksiva

        They better not b lazyyyy

      • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

        Weak.

  • Nawaf Ahmed A

    I think if they implemented leader system with interactive reaction between characters and enemy cpu, the game will blow. I mean hey the have the powerful ps4, they can do anything possible with the battle system. as they are many action and turn RPGs fan, a battle system with both elements will be great

    • Vashe

      yay just “play” a game that is almost 100% IA controlled… I hate it when everything is controlled by IA in games…

  • Roy90

    People will complain but i’m pretty excited for this.

  • Max Leo

    Already further than FFXV it seems. ;).

  • PrinceHeir

    I don’t mind if it’s action style like FFXV or Xenosaga style :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E96kCt3MZsA

    • zacksiva

      That wld b cool as well. They shld gv demo!

    • Budgiecat

      “action style like FF XV”

      drop kick yourself lol

      • professor chronic

        Why? Just curious.

        • Budgiecat

          are you kidding me

          • professor chronic

            No.. I’m quite serious. Why would I be joking? Enlighten me please, I’m at a loss.

            • Budgiecat

              I forgot what we were talking about

    • James Carnley

      Why are all the girls almost nude in this screenshot?

      • Tatsuya1221

        Swimsuit costumes, same with the men, unlike most of the series in 2 it was actually worth it to play the entire game in the characters swimsuit because it gave a form of experience bonus, and there isn’t an armor system in the game i believe so it’s the only costume set to give a benefit.

        Ep.3 made costumes cosmetic, so this was no longer an issue (well kinda, KOS-MOS main costume has always been a little revealing).

  • Budgiecat

    There’s some batte ideas like Earth Seeker, FF Agito (not Type Zero), but really they shouldnt mess with it much…

    • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

      What about a battle system mixing grandia games battle style with Tales of Vesperia combos and hitting buttons to defend and block in time with attacks. It’d be turns but action packed turns. Like Mario Inside Story .

  • Hayate Omega ZX

    You wanna surprise us? Keep it turned based.
    (Low on Expectation and Hope Materia)

  • ayanami-chan

    Hey I’m cool as long as it’s turn based

    • Dub-Sempar Pa

      I’m cool as long as its not

      • ayanami-chan

        lolnope

  • Bebop

    I’m down for whatever, I have the OG game on disc form for both ps1 and PC…I’ll buy the ps4 version too, if the remake does not massage my.balls the way I like it, then I’ll just play the OG, I got faith and I also have discipline to not care about this game till it is close to completetion, it was announced way too fuckin early imo and the wait will just be agony, with all the negative feedback from fans before its even half way done

  • PhoenixAutomatic

    I’m still eager to learn about WoFF as its battle system will be a modification of ATB, If that proves success I think I would like that for the remake although there’s been no actual footage so fingers crossed.
    Aside that FFX-2 fast-paced ATB could be a better solution for the remake except the dresspheres.

    • Noctis Pendragon

      Yeah i am also really looking forward to WoFF.

    • Dub-Sempar Pa

      Woff? And even the x2 would look funny.

  • Kao

    I would like an arpg just to see the rage.

    • Dub-Sempar Pa

      And to see non boring combat

      • Phil Winkel

        *sigh*

      • Vashe

        If you don’t like JRPG then don’t play JRPG… How can you find battle borings if you like JRPG’s…

        • Taiga Aisaka

          what? Tales of is JRPG and the battle is FUN! same as Grandia, Valkyrie Profile, and many others. just because someone doesn’t like turn based doesn’t mean they hate JRPG.

          • Vashe

            A lot of GREAT jrpgs are turn based.

    • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

      You want people to be mad? Why?

      • Kao

        idk, I guess I just wanna see another duke nukem forever-ish reaction but tbh, I’m finding the whole turn based vs arpg fights kinda silly.

        I like both systems and I’m open to whatever new system they wanna make but at this point no matter what ff7:RE does a lot of people are still gonna be pissed no matter what.

        • https://www.behance.net/cobaltcomet KOKAYI5

          Well yeah. Some dont even want it remade ever. So that already happened. I guess the best bet might be take their time and show their progress in the gameplay so the fans won’t be blindsided by it later.

      • KingNigma

        Lol like they aint gonna be disappointed regardless

      • Vashe

        “Some people just want to see the world burning”

    • Taiga Aisaka

      yeah those delicious tears of stupid elitists who thinks they know the best. they all will be like nope nope nope but still buy the game nonetheless.

      • Kao

        Yeah, the day that gameplay gets revealed theyre be a flood of tears and screams about how “ff is dead now!”, “i want muh old game back!” or “what about the materia, man. The materia!!!!”

  • D.3ND

    Nomua wants it to be like Advent Children, which means ARPG and will forgo the use of the Luminous engine and mostly like use the UnReal engine which will factor it’s development speed. Instead of turn based all I ask give us Character switching on/off fights.

    • Noctis Pendragon

      Can’t they use the cry-engine ? I really don’t think FF VII:R can look better than FF XV (in a FF style aka nice hairs and character models with UE4 , unless they use a modded UE4 .

      • D.3ND

        I don’t know but as long as it looks like the trailer i’m fine with whatever engine.

        • Yuntu

          That trailer was a CGI cutscene, only the last few seconds are maybe pre-rendered. Just saying, of course the game will look good but that was CGI.

          • Noctis Pendragon

            They said it was thier goal , it is impossible on UE4 PS4 i think.

            • Yuntu

              It is impossible on the PS4, though SE often had surprised us in the past.

            • Dub-Sempar Pa

              Look at the order

      • Yuntu

        I think there’s probably a reason why so many devs use UE4 and nearly no one the Cry Engine.

        • NotCarolKaye

          A lot of developers use Unreal Engines because they’re very user friendly. Nothing wrong with that, but historically, they haven’t been that impressive looking without modification.

          • Yuntu

            Yeah they will probably mod it ( like they probably did for KH3 ). And with their goal to get this game done quicker than usual UE4 it probably is, but we let’s wait still we actually see gameplay from it before we talk about it getting done quick :D

          • Phil Winkel

            i think you’re thinking of Unity… Unreal looks good out of the box. Unity is the one that looks horrible by default.

          • Skerj

            It doesn’t require heavy modification, it just requires developers who give a damn and have strong artists/art directors.

          • Oliver Teigaga

            A lot of Unreal’s visual slack comes from Unreal 3 which had a very samey look across games as well as texture loading problems. Unreal Engine 4 for Current gen platforms is a lot better out of the box.

            No UE4 console game has been released yet.

            • NotCarolKaye

              That’s true, from what I’ve seen, stock UE4 does look better and more cutting edge than UE3. Also, I should say that I’m generally a fan of how Unreal Engines facilitate the work of creative artists. I think Epic’s tech is a really constructive presence in the game industry.

      • The Fabulous Wombat

        CryEngine is a pain in the ass to work with, especially if you try to stray from the genre it was mainly made for (first person action games).

      • Dub-Sempar Pa

        Sqaurr is already moding unreal

        • Noctis Pendragon

          Modding unreal for KH (with the KH shadders) is extremly different from modding it for FF VII:R which is aiming at the reveal trailler graphics .

  • DoUEvenLeviosa?

    Off topic but what is going on with PSN? 2 days now and I can’t log in even thought I’m connected to internet.

    • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

      I haven’t been on so I can’t help, I have not heard of any issues. So I recommend resting your router.

  • Animal Gray

    I’ve said it numerous times, keep everything as is, but lose the typical turn based gameplay. After fifteen years of JRPGS, I’m completely over turn based combat unless it’s implemented in different ways. I’m not spending sixty bucks for pretty visuals, I’ve played VII four times.

    • The Fabulous Wombat

      The thing is, whenever JRPG’s tried to reinvent themselves…..they fell over and faceplanted hard. There are a few exceptions, though.

      • Animal Gray

        In all honesty I just want them to use XV’s gameplay with the materia system. But I don’t think they’ll take it that far. I imagine they’ll settle on a XIII-XIII3 esq atb.

        • Vashe

          If I control only one character at a time in battle I’ll be REALLY disappointed… And I don’t think I’m alone on this. Why making a remake of FF7 if it’s to make a “new” ff15 with ff7 setting ?

          • Animal Gray

            Because I like XVs battle system, and I don’t want to wait nine years for this to come out. I suppose controlling multiple characters would be pretty sweet though.

    • Dub-Sempar Pa

      Agree need fun gameplay

    • Jay

      I’ve played VII more than four times, and still desire turn based. I’ll gladly pay $60 just for pretty visuals and animations.

      • Animal Gray

        I was just waiting for this comment.

        • Jay

          Glad I didn’t disappoint you then. ;)

      • Vashe

        I’ve played VII more than 10x and a lot of other turn based rpg too… And I still want more. There are TONS (litterally tons, yeah) of ‘new’ action rpgs out there… Why everything has to be action nowadays ?

        • Jay

          Exactly. I think it may have to do with the new generation. Microwave thinking, I like to call it. Instead of strategy and planning they only prefer instant gratification… Not all of them, but it seems like more and more as we go along.
          I personally rather see both. DMC, Souls games, and Turn based FF, should all be able to exist together.

          • Vashe

            Yes I like them all… But don’t mix them…

    • Taiga Aisaka

      I’m with you man.

  • DanSmith
    • Taiga Aisaka

      actually a good idea.

  • CeroSuerte

    As long as its not tactics i am fine with it.. Veeeeeery low expectations..

  • V-Angelus

    Maybe it will be like in crisis core and type-0. Action based. But of course. Better. I dont know any good way to make it way better than those battle systems. Itd be interesting for them to make it real time action tho. Really. But turn based is still good
    JUST MAKE IT! AND MAKE IT GOOD!

    • Dub-Sempar Pa

      Dragons dogna is accepted as the most fun action rpg out there

  • http://twitter.com/Sieghardt Sieghardt

    just make it play somewhat like FFX-2 which was widely agreed upon as a good battle system wasted on the rest of the game

    • Dub-Sempar Pa

      It was ok. I want new and fun

      • http://twitter.com/Sieghardt Sieghardt

        Well you’re getting new and broken garbage if Type-0 or XV are anything to go by

        • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

          Come on man….This is a good team, not tabata.

          Please don’t ditch his shortcoming on these devs.

    • Marius Engebretsen

      Not as Final Fantasy 13+ crap system of battle of newbish call of duty fans 2015 with no brain.

    • Miricia

      Agreed! X-2 battle is LOVE

  • Bobby Jennings/Godless

    honestly I dont even know how to make the battle system better.

    • AmicusC

      They can’t .They keep trying and its only getting worse and worse

      • Bobby Jennings/Godless

        oh you’ve seen it?

        • AmicusC

          I was referring to post ff7 games the more deviate from that battle system the less enjoyable the game imho

          • Vashe

            FFX (and 9) battle systems were really good… It got worse with 12 & 13

            • AmicusC

              9 was really close to 7. X was good but I don’t like the way summons work

  • Dark (Master) Bator

    expect this to come out in 10 years

  • Marius Engebretsen

    If they mess up this game, I’m gonna take Cloud’s sword and cut the developers head off!! I’m serious.

  • deroy smith

    Along the lines of crisis core would be best bet or yh action turned based

  • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

    Friendly reminder – Everyone has an opinion. Just remember to be kind when discussing it, even when you don’t agree.

    Folks shouldn’t feel like they will get “hammered” just because they have an opinion that is different from the majority.

    Respect each other. Thanks.

    • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

      *check IP adresses…

  • PrashT

    >Since there’s a possibility that the command battle system of the old days might not work today

    how can they assumed that ?
    i’m curious, are all FF fan really think command battle is outdated?

    • Miricia

      Nahh~ I think 7 ATB system is awesome! I’m already hooked with it…

    • Jay

      I’d love to see the original system with new camera angles and animations.

    • PrashT

      personaly, I prefer FFX-2 or Grandia III’s battle system for this remake

    • dispedia

      i think it’s outdated. and i played the game when it was first released on psx. better turn-based battle system would be similiar to :
      Arc Rise Fantasia
      Legend of Legaia
      Grandia III
      Valkyrie Profile

      • Vashe

        All the games you’re mentionning are STILL TURN BASED ffs

        • dispedia

          do you even read at all ? i said better TURN-BASED battle system. of course I’m mentioning TURN BASED battle system. wtf is your point ?

      • Scotty Campbell

        Legend of Legaia battle system would be epic

    • Oliver Teigaga

      Its dated to an extent, casual battles which are not especially challenging boil down to tapping x (spamming “attack”) and just making sure you heal your team after every few battles. Turn base doesn’t always = tactical.

      Although a lot of people hated XIII its battle system got a few things right, one of them was ensuring that you couldn’t really go through most battles just spamming attack (even though it has a autobattle option). Without switching you’re paragdigm system, most battles even the easy ones would last way too long & you would incure too much damage, the game actively encouraged you to switch tactics very often in order to finish foes efficiently and stay alive. The auto healing after every battle allowed them to make individual battles more intense, encouraging use of healing magic without constant requirement of potions, ether etc again making things a bit more tactical. In XIII though the player options were not flexible enough, especially when it came to controlling what skills your allies used.

      • Elvick

        The same applies to action games. In the non-challenging battles all you have to do is spam attack and they die.

        • Oliver Teigaga

          Except action games are tactile, often reflex based. Even where there is lack of challenge, they engage the user more with immediate and responsive commands like blocking, counter attacks, and evasion which you will likely use regardless of your enemies strength. There is no real equivalent in an entirely turn based game…

          FFVIII burrowed from this a bit with critical attacks being time based (pressing R1 at the right time) as oppose to relying on luck. FFX-2 introduced interrupting enemy attacks and chaining… Those little touches which keep players mentally active even when all they have to do is spam.

          Also this is mot me saying I want an action VII. Simply pointing out one of the weakness I’ve noticed at points replaying older turn-based FF’s.

          • Elvick

            All those things are irrelevant in the battles we’re talking about. So I really don’t get what your point is. You don’t have to block, dodge or any of that shit in easy battles. Hell in KH2 you don’t even have to move at a certain point. Since Sora will have a ton of abilities where he’ll just zoom toward enemies as you mash a button.

            • Oliver Teigaga

              My underlying point is that button mashing is a more enjoyable experience in a tactile, real time battle system where you have control over your character compared to one where you wait for a gauge to fill up, issue a single attack and then wait again. But I’ll agree to disagree…

              If FFVII was to remain turn based (ATB, which I hope), I would like them to incorporate new dynamics to make the battle system more engaging in low difficulty fights. It just hit me actually that the fault could partially have been random encounters which made the tedious fights far too frequent and a chore

              • Elvick

                I agree with that point. I just wasn’t getting it from your other comments, I guess.

      • AmicusC

        Disagree with “need” or encouraged to change paradigms in easy battles. I never found that at all .

        • Oliver Teigaga

          Fair enough. Once paradigms were introduced fully I found a lot of battles were exccessively without being nifty with your paradigms arrangement

  • TheBeauJOB

    Yeah I kinda do want a different battle system. I mean I’m fine with turn based but I rather not have it. I would like some real time combat

    • Vashe

      so you want to control a single char in battle… Then just play FF7 Crisis core…

      • TheBeauJOB

        Well who’s to say they won’t get the switching characters from ff15 to work on this. Like I said, I can live with the turn based, just would rather not have it.

        • Vashe

          Switching between char does not equal controlling all characters in battle…

  • muslim guy

    Hey Square Enix, I suggest to use Grandia 3 battle system, mix it with FF13 battle system and lightning return job switching. that will blow fore sure.

  • Douglas Smith

    Best thing to do honestly would be to keep it similar to the old system but redesign it to be faster combat. Something like X-2 would work wonders with VII. If they’d axe ATB combat entirely it might alienate a good bit of the fanbase.

  • Vegnagun

    I would like to see a advanced matiria system and the same summons like knights of the round

  • Vegnagun

    And yeah a ff x-2 style would work or even x

    • Peter Swain

      the x-2 battle system would be perfect, its an atb system with enough speed and movement to entertain the new action rpg generation

  • Peter Swain

    Turn based would be amazing, screw the new breed of fans this game is for us old fans who were playing final fantasy when we were 9 or 10.

    • dispedia

      oh please i played ff7 when i was 10 years old also and i couldn’t be happier if they really going with FFXV / KH battle system directions.

      • Vashe

        You’re weird dispedia… I was 10 too when I first played FF7 and ATB is still my favorite battle system… even after playing all these action games. Controlling only one character when all the others are controlled by AI just kills the fun for me… Neptunia games and Fairy Fencer system (but enhanced) would be really cool…

        • Taiga Aisaka

          wow just because we have different taste I’m the weird one? just because ATB is still your favorite battle system you called me weird just because I don’t like it? why do i even waste my time replying to you

          • Vashe

            Yes you’re weird because you ask for more action in a FF… Just play Tales of or Star ocean (I like these series too) but FF must be turn based. Or it’s not FF anymore (See Type 0, Crisis core… SPINOFFS)

            • Taiga Aisaka

              Well apparently Nomura doesn’t agree with you. who are you to say FF “MUST” be turn based ? are you the creator ? LOL smh the arrogance …

              • Vashe

                But apparently most of players (aka customers) agree with ME.

                • Taiga Aisaka

                  no matter how many agrees with you, in the end you’re just a player. you don’t decide what to be in the game. the creator does. and that’s all what matters for me, because i’m, as a fan of FF and action rpg genre, going to get a game, which is directed by the man, who also loves action rpg.

                  • Vashe

                    But in the end, the goal of Squenix is making money, no making action rpgs because “turn based is outdated” and nomura likes Arpg.

                    • Taiga Aisaka

                      exactly, so why did squenix chose action rpg for ffxv again? because squenix knows action rpg is the bomb right now. and it’s gonna bring them money.
                      look at their new games lineup : FFXV, KH3, NieR 2, Star Ocean. what does these games tells you?

                    • Vashe

                      No one knows how FF15 will perform. KH, nier, SO HAVE ALWAYS BEEN (!!!!!) ACTION RPG FFS. Pff you just don’t want to understand stop answering plz. I got it you prefer Arpg, good for ya.

                    • Taiga Aisaka

                      yeah the question is why SE push all those action RPG instead of maybe their other turn-based games? you can say i dont want to understand. it’s the same as you that keep denying that SE stance is leaning towards action rpg more and more these days and it’s gonna be in FF7R one way or another. even Nomura implied it.
                      i’ll keep on answering as long as i want to. why don’t you just stop answering then ? haha

        • Blaqsailens .

          Honestly, being able to control all of the characters has always put me out of the game making me feel like I’m not fighting side by side with them. It made it feel more like they were just mere chess pieces on a board that just did whatever I made them do. I’m not against being able to switch between characters mid battle (Star Ocean and Tales of series), but controlling all of the characters in battle makes the game feel kind of lonely for some reason.

          I’ve also never really been into turn-based or ATB battle systems in the first place though. There’s just not enough involvement in what happens to the characters (dodging, countering, attacking at just the right moment, etc.). Dark/Demon Souls and Bloodborne have ruined a lot of games for me. lol

          • Taiga Aisaka

            careful, he might called you weird for not liking ATB and wanting to see more action-ish combat

      • Peter Swain

        Well as the series went downhill after X-2 with sales figures and fan reaction I’ll assume that more people like myself prefer turn based.

      • Joshua Dukette

        I been playing since I was seven and I would love for them to keep all the materia and add more that would be cool. Please leave the chocobo breeding and how you can travel the whole world on a gold chocobo.

    • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

      Don’t assume everyone is the same as you are.

      • Peter Swain

        No but considering the general reaction most are, there are plenty of action rpgs out there they could just leave the legends for us hardcore rpg fans.

        • Dub-Sempar Pa

          Most people prefer action.loud fanboys prefer the same old.

          • AmicusC

            Source?

        • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

          Most people seem to want action, even square thinks so. They are expecting it, thus quiter. Turn based are not getting it, this loud.

        • Taiga Aisaka

          another stupid elitists. “us hardcore rpg fans” just because you prefer turn based makes you a hardcore ?

          • Peter Swain

            No because I’ve played and completed every final fantasy as well as another ton of rpgs on every console since the ps1

    • Trips486

      Dude stop being a twat and thinking that all your generation prefers turn based. I played every single FF game as well and even though I did enjoy the turn based ATB system it does get old. I would rather have a much more smoother action game than waiting on each turns. To each there own but stop assuming that every person that played FFVII has your mentality. You’re just a stupid nostalgia freak. Ever game has there share.

  • Vashe

    “Since there’s a possibility that the command battle system of the old days might not work today, we’re thinking hard about what kind of direction we can take it.”””

    DIE IN HELL… This system is still the best for strategic games, and FF are NOT ACTION GAMES. :(
    Kitase you’re killing the FF franchise :(

    • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

      FF isnt all the same game.

      • Vashe

        Every FF excluding FF12 (non spinof) is turn based, even FF13 btw…
        The spinoffs (FF7 CC, Type O, dissidia) don”t count.

        I liked it when the main FF were turn based and the spinoffs “action based”

        • Taiga Aisaka

          FFXV doesn’t count?

          I liked it now that FF’s taking more action approach and less turn based

        • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

          See, even 12 wasnt like that. FF changes, it is the main part of the franchise.

        • Elvick

          FFXII is turned based too. There’s literally nothing about it that isn’t still the ATB system. You can just move around. That doesn’t really change that the combat is the ATB system.

          And you can turn off gambits completely and play it exactly like every other FF game, swapping between each character and controlling them manually.

          • Ricewarrior

            ATB =/= Turn Based

            There’s a reason why both have different names.

            • Elvick

              ATB is a different kind of turn based system. Turn on “wait” in the settings and it’s even more apparent that it’s still a turn based system under there.

          • AmicusC

            Gambits= the suck

            • Elvick

              Gambits are amazing. What.

              • AmicusC

                Why do I want the game to play itself ? That’s cray cray

  • Will

    It amazes me how much people hate change.

    Only more 1 more decade of attacking each others opinions. In fine with w/e they do. Time to head back into the shadows.

  • dispedia

    something like Level-5’s Rogue Galaxy would be freakin awesome.

    • William Cox

      ALL OF THE YES!!!

  • Oliver Teigaga

    All I want is a battle system that is clean and cinematic (not a clusterf**k on screen) and one where you can manage each characters skill usage (not autobattle)

    • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

      So like Dragons Dogma/KH?Just with a dash of Da?

  • highsky00

    Do anything you want as long as it is the best for this remake ,Devs .Time to wait in the shadow .

  • http://www.miraiscope.com SugiKhan

    I think the old battle system shouldn’t be tempered with. Only make it like in FF10 so the timer of enemies doesn’t go on incase you are thinking about your next move

    • Elvick

      X is flat out turned based. VII was ATB… it should remain ATB, and I can’t think of any ATB games without the ‘wait’ option in the menu that lets you take your time while picking moves in a menu.

      • http://www.miraiscope.com SugiKhan

        I think ATB is great, but i do think thats bit outdated mechanism compared to the flat out turn based system we had on FFX

        • Phaedrus

          You do realize turn-based was the ancestor to ATB right?

          • http://www.miraiscope.com SugiKhan

            not in final fantasy, but ye

            • Phaedrus

              Yes, in Final Fantasy too. 1 to 3 employed turn based battles, ATB mechanics weren’t introduced until 4.

  • SkarEffect

    Change the battle system, you ruin the game completely. Fuck this new FF all action BS. Give me turn based combat or don’t remake FF7. Simple as that.

    • Dub-Sempar Pa

      Keep the old system ruin the game completely.wait that makes no sense.its as if the story and the side quest and mini games wont be effected by the gameplay. Wow that’s amazong

      • SkarEffect

        Change turn based combat to a action combat = game ruined. Do you understand now?

        • William Cox

          Someone is not a fan of Tales.

        • Taiga Aisaka

          for you maybe, for me it’s an improvement

          • SkarEffect

            You probably never played the game when it first came out.

            • Taiga Aisaka

              I played it when i was 10. first came out on psx. i loved FF especially 7. i also loved action games. why can’t i have this two together as one? it’s been a dream of mine since they showed FF7 tech demo 8 years ago. why do you have to label me as “this” or “that” just because I prefer action games? do you even heard of “opinion” ?

              • SkarEffect

                Than you would know that changing the combat system from turned based combat to more action packed combat will ruin this game.

                • Taiga Aisaka

                  again, for you it may be “ruining this game”. for me it would be “improvement to this game”. also that’s what Kitase and Nomura also thinks by the way.

                  • SkarEffect

                    People like you are the reason why FF now sucks.

                    • Taiga Aisaka

                      again, for you it’s “sucks” for me it’s “awesome” ;-)

                    • SkarEffect

                      Agree to disagree.

                    • William Cox

                      Boo fuckin’ hoo. I’d advise you to not wear your nostalgia glasses so tightly. And get off that damn high horse. You look like a douche up there.

                    • SkarEffect

                      Go fuck yourself.

                    • William Cox

                      U mad, bro?

      • Bob

        It’s your comment that makes no sense.

        • Dub-Sempar Pa

          Your butt makes no sense

  • Elvick

    Don’t surprise players. Just make it like FFX-2 where it’s still ATB, they just move around and make it more visually interesting (or more like Wild Arms 3, they move around more in that game)

    Somehow I doubt that they’d actually let me play an action FFVII where I can play it like a third person shooter as Barret or Vincent, or use Yuffie and Tifa.

    Just stick to ATB.

    • Dub-Sempar Pa

      Screw ffx2 that was boring.if we stuck with old ruen based dont change it.

      • Elvick

        Someone played with ‘Wait’ on.

        • Bobby Jennings/Godless

          This

    • Bob

      Somehow I doubt that they’d actually let me play an action FFVII where I can play it like a third person shooter as Barret or Vincent.

      It’s been done already “Dirge of Cerberus” which has you playing in 3rd person as vincent, it was not good.

      • Elvick

        It was good, not great. People and their hyperbole.

        It was just piss easy. Even on the added difficulty for the west to make it harder. The only “hard” part was having enough ammo to kill a boss with.

        • Bob

          Hyperbole? Describing something as not good is hyperbole now? O.k, whatever.

          The game was not unplayable, but it was in no way a game to look out for, it had an odd control layout, stupid character design that did not fit in with the original games and a bad fan fic style story.

          • Elvick

            Clearly your idea of “good” is “OMG THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER MADE”.

            • Bob

              No it’s simply a game that’s fun, engaging and can stand on it’s own merits, this game was a mediocre cash in, that lets face it sold on the connect to FF7 alone. I wanted to like it more than I did, being that I’m a fan of FF7 and FF in general but I’m not a fan boy and I’m not going to lie to myself that it was good, because it was not, as a hack slash game it was forgettable and the connect to FF7 was cynical and forced. I had to check its metacritic page to see if I’m alone in this and bar three reviews(one even giving it a score of 90, wtf) all of them pretty much agree with what I’ve said.

              You seem like a fan boy so I’m going to leave it there; you liked it, I did not, simple.

  • Joshua Dukette

    Don’t take out the chocobo breedingand where you can travel the whole world on a gold chocobo that was one of my favorite things in Final Fantasy 7. Also they shouldn’t take out any materia and it would be cool if they added more but at least keep all the materia.

    • William Cox

      I don’t think the materia are going anywhere. It’s actually pretty essential to the lore and story as it comes from the lifestream. Plus it would ruin Yuffie’s character as a materia hunter. Most things are going to be the same though with maybe a few added minigames and side quests. The major parts being changed are just some plot points and the gameplay. I kind of hope it goes in a direction sort of like how FFXV was going to be when it was Versus XIII with being able to switch between characters that all had different play styles. Cloud has a hack n’ slash style similar to Dissidia, Vincent and Barret play over the shoulder shooter like DoC (which had fun gameplay IMO. just had a really shitty story).

  • Mikail

    When Square refuse to make FF7 remake , Fans was mad, then when they inally announce the games and try to bring the games the fan still mad. gamer gone mad. DO you guys enjoying playing games or you actually enjoying complaining and debating in the comment section LOL.

    • Roy90

      People will always complain.

    • Umaru~n

      People are just afraid of them ruin the remake overthinking it too much.
      They thought for 6 years and we got FFXIII… so it’s understandable. XD

      • Svein Asleik

        Don’t forget, they had to redo FFXIV from scratch.

  • S.I.Trigg

    Just don’t surprise us too much -.o

  • swiss

    i think turn-based is for anime-ish/handheld games, but for “realistic” graphics with an open world setting i dont think so i have not seen a turn based game with “realistic” graphics or a open world that had been critically acclaimed for the past 7 years. overall turn-based or not just be happy were getting it. if its just graphics you want the pc version has mods to offer search it up.

    • Phaedrus

      Uh, Lost Odyssey? It works, you just need good idle animations. As far as ff7 goes, let them do what they do. The FF team has always been great at coming up with fun battle systems, I don’t know why everyone is so worried. I enjoyed 13’s craziness.

      • swiss

        like i said there hasnt been a turn based with “realistic graphics” that was critcally acclaimed for the past 7 years . lost odyssey wasnt even critcally acclaimed it was a okay game with mostly 8’s one of the negatives of it
        was the turn based it just doesnt blend well with realistic graphics with a open world setting “today”. yeah 13 was fine even 13 wasnt critcally acclaimed. i think the combat is okay a minor minus the game crash per battle.

        • professor chronic

          Well said, Swiss. Agreed.

        • Svein Asleik

          The battle system of FF13 is definitely among it’s weakest areas, and that game had lots of weak areas.

  • SOLOmio

    they could have two modes! classic and new but that would take a lot of time to include!

  • AmicusC

    Do not screw with battle system it is so much better than the new systems

  • Scotty Campbell

    well since i stopped playing ff after ff9 i cant say to much about the new age ff battle system but i do hope they keep the turn-based battle system not going to say bad things about this remake since it isnt out yet but if they give it the ff12 or ff13 battle system i wont even look at it on youtube the last good final fantasy for me was 7 pleas dont fuck this up square enix

  • Reynaldo Serrano

    They can’t change the battle system. ATB is what made FFVII. You have to keep the Materia System too. I wanna fight ultimate and ruby weapon and think at any moment I can die. It was the best thing in the world. Please don’t change that…

    • Justin Whiteaker

      ATB is NOT what made FF7, so many other games already did ATB so you can’t say that it made FF7 specifically. Yes Materia definitely did, but you don’t need ATB to make use of Materia.

      If you don’t want change then go play the old FF7! This is a remake! A NEW GAME. Who are you tell the creators what they can do with their intellectual property?

      • Reynaldo Serrano

        If you don’t have ATB and Materia… You can’t have those memorable and hard battles from FFFVII. Being able to control all 3 characters equally with your mix and match of materia. That is the FFVII battle system. Without it… We’re gonna have Kingdom Hearts? And yes, I do want an HD Remake of FFVII… Kinda how they did the original FF games they made for the DS.

        • William Cox

          Then you should have been louder when asking for a REMASTER instead of a remake. And if you want those memorable and hard moments, play the original like I do.

          • Reynaldo Serrano

            i think you should stfu and i really don’t care what you want tbh. Im just saying what I would want in the game. change stuff. thats cool. but I would like the same battle system. :D

            • Bobby Jennings/Godless

              Well you aren’t getting the same battle system so I’d suggest you go play the original.

        • http://www.twitter.com/skeltermethod Corwen

          The DS games weren’t remakes, they were remasters. And again, Materia isn’t going anywhere! But ATB? It doesn’t make sense in a new updated game. You want them to make the same game, but that just isn’t going to happen. It’s a NEW game; a REMAKE.

          You’re not getting FF7 HD. You’re getting FF7New/Different concept. Deal with it.

          • Bob

            The DS games were as much remakes as this one is, if not more, A remaster would be like the re-release of the GBA port of FF1/2 on the PSP, which was the same game only cleaned up, hence a remaster.

        • CivilCorsair

          There were all of 2-3 hard fights in the entire game. If you want a hard FF play the Japanese version of 4, or Dimensions.

      • Gavin Landon

        Chill bruh, I don’t think @reynaldo_serrano:disqus was trying to tell the creators what to do but rather giving his opinion.

        Agree tho. It’s a new game.

      • Taiga Aisaka

        I agree. ATB != FF7. glad Nomura also think so.

    • Bob

      Yep, ATB was an important part of what made FF7 so good.

    • aop videos

      Lets just change something old, and dated k? let them do their job.

  • adracamas

    The point is, I don’t think a lot of people want them to fudge it up and make it “easy Mode”. It’s like getting used to playing a certain fighting game on console…. then trying to play the mobile version.

  • Scotty Campbell

    what would be cool is if they did to games one with the old battle system and one with new battle system then everyone wins and square enix makes a lot of money.

  • Johnny Branscum

    Just make an option at the beginning of the game for action rpg or turn base. When you choose action you can move the character and play out how and when to attack. If you desire turn base, which I would. You have the stats control if your hit lands or misses or is critical. Let the characters move freely like they would in a normal fight against an enemy but when you decide to attack, they do.

    Pretend your playing the old FFVII, instead of them sitting there in a row, just have them staggering around like they are planning an attack. If you cannot make a move before the enemythey attack like usual and you either get hit or it misses, just like the old game. Difference being they are not stationary and it uses the idea of movement it’s an action rpg

    • William Cox

      What you just described sounds like Final Fantasy XIII.

      • Phaedrus

        Sort of, but I think he means 1 action per character at a time, and you switch active character at the end of their Wait timer.

        I freely admit I would love to see the ATB system come back if it’s done cleverly enough. So instead of them just standing there, you’d have (say you were on Cloud’s action) having Tifa and Barret, or whoever, just kind of circling the enemy, taunting or just looking ready to pounce. They could even have active counters via adding the relevant Materia or whatever.

        They have such an opportunity here to not just get it right, but make it even better than the original. Let’s hope the brilliance of these three men has not faded.

    • Dru Pearce

      So the ff12 system, I agree.

    • Bobby Jennings/Godless

      If you want turn based, go play Final Fantasy VII.

      It’s clear they’re trying to do something different with the remake.

  • Matt Kenney

    I think it would be really great if they used something like the Crisis Core battle system, or even Kingdom Hearts except without the crazy acrobatic attacks.

  • Onis

    listen everybody they finally are going to do this and if there was ever a game that deserve it, it would be this hands down. So many people. so many people have play this game, i alone mastered everything 10 times and still it hits me with emotions, they heard your voice for such a thing let them show you

  • Onis

    listen everybody they are finally going to do this, after so many years of waiting we get to have the joy of having something that change our lives be amazing again let them have there chance to bring something great again

  • Sintindo

    We don’t want b to be suprised in that aspect of the game.
    I loved the mataria.
    Don’t fix it,if it’s not broken

  • Sintindo

    I wouldn’t mind it still being turn based.
    Maybe like X-2 or 13 w/the chaining attacks.
    But turn based imo

  • FVDnz

    Wonder if they will use voice actors too. They’re bound to, surely! :D

    • dude8484

      It would be more surprising if they didn’t, I miss the text boxes and actually having to sit there and read while enjoying the music and the visuals.

      • FVDnz

        Ah well, even if they do utilise voice actors, I’m sure you’ll still be able to read the text while allowing subtitles and all. I suppose hearing them speak may become a distraction to you then lol. ;)

        • dude8484

          It’d be nice if they could put in an option for just text boxes and no voice acting, i hate voice acting.

  • Solemn Wolf

    Please incorporate Cloud’s Fusion Swords.

    • zanmaru

      Please incorporate nothing from that terrible movie kthnx

      • Solemn Wolf

        Oh, yeah so terrible.

      • Bobby Jennings/Godless

        Why?

      • Solemn Wolf

        what exactly was terrible about it?

        • Bobby Jennings/Godless

          He doesn’t even have a response. lol

  • Rationalise

    Give us many more materias, weapons(both swords and ancient robots), bosses, places/towns to visit, longer story, and gorgeous graphics that don’t look like korean boyband robots in a high tech but dry design…

    • Bobby Jennings/Godless

      I doubt they’re adding more towns. It’s just going to be a remake.

      • thowedthanka

        with shittier gameplay… seems like they want to make it more like 13/15

        • Bobby Jennings/Godless

          Oh have you played the game already? how was it so far?

          and who’s “they”? It’s Nomura on this one. Not Toriyama

  • Atreya Nixx Rivera

    I think that the old battle system would work just fine. Or if they wanted to pleasantly surprise us, make the old battle system an unlockable reward. Id be furious though if they took materia out.

  • aop videos

    Good for you guys, I am really glad you are modifying the old boring
    combat
    system. I hope you come up with something new, fun, and interesting. and PLEASE
    make it so you can skip long spell cut scenes if you want, like when
    summoning Shiva etc.

    • Maurice Le Pen

      Boring? What??? RPG when was RPG had strategy using all features from the characters. Now RPG is only a smash buttons. Go play Uncharted.

  • aop videos

    I hope you redo the Materia system too. It was dull and linear. You could add some depth, and tactics to it ^_^.

    • thowedthanka

      direct your attention at 11, 12, & 13… they have no interest in tactics anymore.

  • thowedthanka

    “Since there’s a possibility that the command battle system of the old days might not work today,” translation, “We want it to feel more like Final Fantasy 13 and 15, fuck the players!”

  • Leppo

    What a load of BS. Why would they say that the turn based system is outdated lol. they should of atleast done a turn based system similar to ff13-2 if not the older type. its way better and the reason i liked the ff games in the first place. as others have said they just can’t be bothered to put in tactics for bosses/certain mobs and create new moves etc. i’m bored of the final fantasy games now after the turn based stopped happening. 15 will be another crappy hack and slash aswell for that reason. Square Enix just CBA to listen to their fans.