Rise of the Tomb Raider Xbox exclusivity “has a duration,” Xbox boss confirms
posted on 08.13.14 at 09:18 AM EDT by (@salromano)
No comment on the length of the duration.

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Perhaps one of yesterday’s biggest announcements, Rise of the Tomb Raider will be exclusive to Xbox One and Xbox 360 when it launches holiday 2015. But that exclusivity “has a duration,” Xbox boss Phil Spencer confirmed.

Speaking to Eurogamer at Gamescom, Spencer said, “I have Tomb Raider shipping next holiday exclusively on Xbox. It is Xbox 360 and Xbox One. I’m not trying to fake anybody out in terms of where this thing is. What they do with the franchise in the long run is not mine. I don’t control it. So all I can talk about is the deal I have. I don’t know where else Tomb Raider goes.”

He continued, confirming, “Yes, the deal has a duration. I didn’t buy it. I don’t own the franchise.”

Spencer, however, wouldn’t comment on the length of the duration.

“It’s not because I’m trying to be a headfake on anybody,” Spencer said. “It’s a deal between us and the partner. People ask me how much did we pay. There are certain things I’m just not going to talk about because it’s a business deal between us and then. Obviously the deal does have a duration. I didn’t buy the IP in perpetuity.”

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  • Kickersu18

    i wait for the ps4 version lmao

  • Wolf Star

    So this is it huh? It’s a done deal… I hope they bitch about low sales expectations. Whatever I’ll wait for Uncharted 4 :)

    • Zackasaur

      Uncharted 4 is going to dominate. Ugh, I’m excited now.

      • Wolf Star

        I’m already hyped for uncharted 4, it’s gonna be amazing :D about tomb raider. I’ll wait for better version whenever it comes out on Ps4, but uncharted 4 will be even better.

        • Zackasaur

          Much agreed.

  • Zackasaur

    This was always obvious, but it’s nice to have more confirmations to link to worryworts.

    I’m certain that the duration is short. I’ll be waiting for the upgraded PS4 version. Like most, I’ll prefer it there. Plus, I don’t really condone this bad decision by SE.

  • Six

    Well duh.

    Still insanely hyped. I’ll be there day one on Xbone, and again on PS4 if it’s some kind of “Definitive Edition”.

  • http://Xcite79.1up.com/ Keegs79

    Money was involved in some form, be it take on all the promotions, straight up cash, or what. The game is going to end up selling better on the PS4 simply because of the installed base so there is no reason for it to stay exclusive. It doesn’t benefit Square Enix.

    • Zackasaur

      MS paid tens of millions.

  • AlphaSixNine

    He feels a bit defensive with his answers. It’s hard to believe that’s he’s not trying to fake people out into thinking this game will only come on XBox. If it was a timed exclusive from the start, they should have said “Coming first to XBox, Holiday 2015” and not “Coming Holiday 2015, Exclusively on XBox”. There’s no way that’s not “trying to fake people out”.

    • desponent

      It was obviously intentional but then SE/CD was probably overwhelmed with the fallout (what did they expect?) and scrambled to ask MS for this little clarification. The actual game marketing (aka ads) itself probably won’t change that wording for people who don’t follow game news site.

    • Elle

      It’s the #1 thing microsoft is good at. YOU HAVE TO PULL TEETH TO GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER. It’s getting REALLY old. We shouldn’t ever get 5 different confirmation from 2 people from MS, Crystal, random SE employee, and Geoff.

  • http://Gematsu.com Vayne

    This is your thanks by SE for its great games that offered in the past?

  • 罪罰

    As expected, no need for more outbursts.

    • McPoo



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    • Budgiecat

      You are the first one to burst into popcorn when things happen :P

  • Elvick

    Called it. Still bullshit, SE shit on their fans with this. And MS wasted money on the deal.

    Buying this used when it comes out on PS4.

    • http://lukalovesgames.blogspot.de/ Alkaid

      likewise. have to agree. And yes they did.

      Will also follow suit. SE and MS both gave it away with that “deal” otherwise I’d have been rather interested in the game but now…

    • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

      We don’t know if they wasted money on the deal yet. No one does until the game launches in holiday 2015. It could help push some units for MS, the game could sell very well during that time period. We don’t know yet.

      • Elvick

        History shows it’s pointless long term, and short term? Not worth it, I bet the biggest reason the Xbox brand loses money is these shitty moneyhats.

        They certainly didn’t help MS at launch with their massive EA moneyhatting. Or Capcom “exclusive” DR3.

        This will be more damaging to sales overrall now. SE took a dump on their fans, we don’t want to be treated like this and get leftovers.

        Dont be blind.

        • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

          It was pointless with GTA 4? I’m pretty sure MS did quite well with that timed exclusivity. Same thing with Mass Effect being only on 360 for a while. Yes, I know some of these games were on PC not long after, but I’m talking console only exclusivity here.

          Sure, it doesn’t always result in more sales, but we don’t know all the details. These deals, the benefits for both sides, are not always black and white.

          I’m not sure how I’m blind to anything though. In fact, my eyes are wide open. I’m viewing this from multiple perspectives, and trying to be fair all around. Just like I always do.

          I’m not sure anyone is getting leftovers. I don’t have an XB1, I do have the PS4. I understand that timed exclusives sometimes happen. do I like them? Not particularly.

          I’ve had to wait before to get to play a game, or access timed exclusive content. I enjoyed the game and the content just as much, even though I got it later than others did because of what console I had. I didn’t like having to wait, but I didn’t consider what I got a leftover.

          • $18114340

            You can’t really compare GTA to Tomb Raider though. The amount of public awareness of GTA is orders of magnitude above Tomb Raider, so exclusivity actually sort of makes sense in that case since people actually pay attention to GTA.

            Tomb Raider? This kind of game makes sales in terms of lifetime. It’s not a mega-hit. So timed exclusivity benefits nobody. I agree with Elvick here. I don’t see how this was worth it considering the amount of goodwill both MS and SE have dumped wholesale with the announcement, unless this game somehow breaks sales records on release. Which, you know, it’s Tomb Raider. Not likely. GTA? Different story.

            • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

              I brought up GTA and Mass Effect in response to history showing timed content and such is pointless long term. It certainly helped MS back then, timed exclusivity. I just see them (MS) trying to go with something that worked for them before, in terms of business decisions.

              Enough people pay attention to Tomb Raider though, especially now. If no one cared, we would likely not even be having this discussion.

              Was this worth it? I have no idea. It’s like I keep saying though. We don’t know all the details of this deal. What was agreed on, what happened behind closed doors, the “gray” part of it all.

              I’ll say this much. The deal was probably better off for SE. I’m sure it saved them more cash than it did MS. Not that MS ever seems to worry about losing cash via business deals or even products that flop.

              You know something that all businesses like? Stuff they can print out and show to shareholders at meetings. These type of timed exclusive deals seem like they would be a big hit in that regard. I guess that could also fall under that “gray” area I mentioned.

              Edit – I’d like to add. If we are going to discuss how history proves this and that. One thing it does prove with video games is how quickly fans and consumers forgive or even forget.

              I know for a fact this will simmer down in the coming months. I doubt many will even be complaining about it when the game is about to launch. The first new trailer they show will likely have a mixed reaction, but the following trailers and such will mostly be met with positive reactions.

              I’m not saying everyone here will forgive so quickly or anything. I’m just saying that a large amount will forgive or forget. The same folks who complained and said they would never buy CoD again, but then cave and buy it every year, etc. Just to be clear, I’m not saying anyone here is like that, I’m just saying history shows that lots of people do that.

              • $18114340

                I have no doubt that people will forget about this easily. When put into perspective it really isn’t a big deal at all, especially owing to the fact that anybody who wants to play a big-budget game isn’t in any shortage of options these days, and a timed exclusive means everybody gets to play it eventually when the game hits the bargain bin on the used games shelf.

                But that all just begs the question of why this is even happening to begin with. I know that we don’t know the details of the deal. I know that we can’t say for sure who the deal benefits the most or how. But even if the public memory doesn’t endure when it comes to individual events such as this, Microsoft already has an uphill battle to climb when it comes to their public image. I just don’t understand why they’d make it worse for themselves when there are so many other, better ways the Xbox could be making the headlines.

                I don’t think PR stunts are worth it. I’m sick of them and I’m sure everybody else is, too. Console gaming is rapidly hemorrhaging and fragmenting and I’m failing to see how this benefits either SE or Microsoft long-term. It just makes Microsoft look more and more like the company lacks integrity. Surely the shareholders understand this, and if they don’t, it wouldn’t surprise me that they’re a primary cause in the problems with public relations the industry faces on the whole.

                It just feels like game companies are being needlessly self-destructive and it makes the industry look very, very self-absorbed and arrogant.

                • Budgiecat

                  “Should I buy this Rise of the tomb Raider game now over Uncharted 4, Witcher 3, Division, Batman, Bloodborne, now that its finally come out? Or should I just play these newer games?”

                  hmm… tough choice

              • Budgiecat

                ” The deal was probably better off for SE. ”

                No way. they are now in a position to lose way more than whatever they saved.

                Games sales are front loaded via initial hype you know that.

                this game is cross gen.

                You cut that front loaded sales potential by 80 million PS3 userbase, 10 million PS4 userbase, and 63 million Steam userbase….only to delay that combined 153 million gamers the chance to play it on ‘day one’, while only releasing it to a 5 million XB1 userbas and 78 million Xbox 360 userbase?
                And push the game out later in ‘deeper waters’ when game library competition (like Uncharted 4, Witcher 3, Batman AK, Division, MGS V, Bloodborne) will be even more fierce and ‘Rise of the tomb Raider’ hype will have died down?


                • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

                  I don’t know if it will hurt or help the overall sales of the game in the end, I just feel like the deal is likely helping them save some money right now.

          • Elvick

            Seems to me, you have simply removed your eyelids in order to see what isn’t there. You seem so concerned with having an opinion that is directly in the middle. Straddle the fence all you want, but I don’t agree with being PC for PC sake. Nor do I agree with your arguments.

            PS3 was behind 360 for years, had a year less on the market, was always priced higher and none of MS’ dealings stoppped PS3 from matching their sales.

            • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

              I’m wrong because I’m not clearly picking a side? Do I need to show some fanboy colors or something? What difference does that makes. This is what annoys me about trying to discuss video games online most of the time.

              I’m not taking a side so I’m terrible. You said they wasted money on the deal. I pointed out that we don’t know if they wasted money on the deal yet.

              I was simply trying to be logical. You responded with your opinion, making sure to show which side you are on, and then said I was blind.

              My point was exactly what I’ve been posting. We don’t know all the details of the deal, we don’t know how successful or unsuccessful it will be yet.

              As for PS3 vs 360 sales, I don’t care. I was only pointing out that timed exclusivity has been good for MS in the past. If timed exclusives had not helped them, if it had all been a waste of time, they wouldn’t be going back to it. They would not continue doing it. That’s all I was saying.

              • Elvick

                You’re wrong because you’re wrong, for reasons I’ve said already and more that I’m too annoyed with to bother (and I was on mobile earlier so couldn’t elaborate on).

                If you want to act like I’m saying you’re wrong solely because your position isn’t a position at all… then you can be wrong in that as well. I don’t really care. You don’t have to be a fanboy to have an ‘opinion’ that’s not straight in the middle.

                I’ve already made my point clear. You can attempt to bring it back to the middle all you want, but my point will remain the same. Agree to disagree.

                • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

                  That was exactly my point though. I never said anything wrong about the actual topic. I said we don’t know if they wasted money on the deal yet. You said they did like it was a fact. If you can explain how I’m wrong in that, then we can agree to disagree. That’s the thing, we just don’t know yet. I have no idea why that keeps going over your head here.

      • Budgiecat

        there’s no way Rise of the tomb Raider is outselling tomb Raider 2013 now. Not with this mess.

  • waku waku

    It’s not bribery if the parties are being totally transparent about it. It was just a business deal, as Phil stated.

    Xbox One needs a push. Competition is important in business, and Square Enix realises that Xbox needs to catch up to Playstation. People should be glad that it’s a timed exclusive.

    • Kuro-Law

      But it wasn’t transparent that was the problem
      We had that aaron guy and tumblr post telling us its exclusive, yet geoff telling us its timed. It wouldnt have been as big of a deal if it was more clear.

      • $18114340

        Exactly. If it was transparent then there wouldn’t have been news stories or questions to ask in the first place.

        It still isn’t transparent, as a matter of fact. I’m not expecting 100% transparency but we have to hear it from Microsoft, instead of from the developers/publishers of the game itself. It’s a little silly when you think about it.

        • Elle

          They should have done what Sony did all day yesterday. FIRST ON PLAYSTATION 4, FIRST ON (OUR) CONSOLE, ONLY ON PLAYSTATION (4). These are clear and consise. This is the same BS that microsoft pulled when trying tp brainwash people into thinking their original pitch for the console this time last year was a good idea.

          Being sneaky, evasive with answers. No matter who they put in charge, they will never change.

    • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

      I’m not sure I’d go as far as saying that SE wants to help the XB1 catch up to the PS4.

      I do agree with you on the business deal part. In this case, MS saw an opportunity to get a big franchise as a timed exclusive, during the busy holiday season of 2015. They presented an offer to the business people at SE/CD and they both liked the deal.

      This was a timed content deal, and time exclusives are not new. You can always expect overreactions online though.

      • waku waku

        Benefits of competition was something I learned quite early in my Economics studies. So I’d like to believe that someone in SE is competent enough to understand the company’s role as a large industry player in promoting competition between a struggling Xbox brand and a highly successful Playstation brand.

        Of course, that’s just what I’d like to believe, since provided all else is constant, it is the right thing to do.

        • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

          Perhaps. I’m not ruling anything out. I just feel like this was a business deal that benefited both sides in some way. That seems more likely to me.

          Well, compared to them sitting down and discussing how XB1 is struggling and how we both need to work together to help it.

          I mean, sure, PS4 is in the lead. The XB1 is not in that bad of shape, and both consoles are fairly new.

          The install base for PS4 is larger, but it’s not like XB1 is in the same spot the Wii U is. (Sorry Nintendo.)

          • waku waku

            Well, you aren’t wrong. If it’s a deal, then more likely than not it benefited both sides.

          • BossTuff

            This, sir, is one of the most accurate comments in regards to this whole thing. Very succinct and accurate.

            • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

              Thanks. I’m just trying to be fair.

              • Budgiecat

                Yeah but….S-E isnt being smart in this.

                they’re trying to save money (who knows what they spent on tomb Raider 2013 marketing for them to be crying so much about “not being up to sales standards” when the game sold around 6.3 million to date), but they’ll lose more money in the long run…

                • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

                  They just might.

          • Zackasaur

            Technically, the Wii U has a higher install base than the Xbone due to the year-long head start. Since MK8, though, Wii U has been matching/beating Xbone worldwide weekly. PS4, on the other hand, averages more than the other two combined, weekly.

            So Wii U isn’t doing THAT badly anymore.

            • $18114340

              Yeah, the rumors of the Wii U’s death have been greatly exaggerated. The system still isn’t performing well by any means but if Nintendo’s doing worse than Microsoft they’re not really showing it.

              • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

                They have the 3DS, so things are fine. At the end of the day though, MS is obviously doing better. They are more than just Xbox, which you already know. I’m just saying. =P

                • $18114340

                  It doesn’t speak well for Xbox when the head company replaces its CEO amidst rumors of selling the gaming division off, then the gaming division replaces its head as well. Xbox may have Microsoft to carry it but Nintendo is undoubtedly the stronger brand when it comes to gaming alone.

                  • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

                    “Nintendo is undoubtedly the stronger brand when it comes to gaming alone.”

                    Agreed. They have been doing it for so long now.

            • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

              I was mostly trying to point out how the XB1 is still young. Where the Wii U has been struggling for a while now. Like you said though, it is improving, but it’s taken a while to do so.

              If the XB1 is still in this same spot a year or so from now. Then, yes, it would be in the same spot the Wii U currently is. The not great but not awful spot.

              Not trying to say the Wii U is dead or anything.

              • Budgiecat

                Isn’t Wii U 1 million sales ahead of XB1?

      • McPoo

        Has there been confirmation that MS approached SE/CD first? I was thinking about this earlier and was wondering if they’d done that, or SE/CD had been looking for someone to help fund the game through timed exclusivity.

        • $18114340

          If Microsoft was funding the game, why go for timed exclusivity instead of full-blown exclusivity?

          In-between Dead Rising 3, Titanfall and stuff like CoD DLC, it’s clear that platform exclusivity benefits the publishers more than it does Microsoft, since only until recently did MS have barely any goodwill left to speak of with their own fans. I suppose you could argue that plays a part in it but I somehow doubt that SE was hurting to finance a new Tomb Raider. The last game was crazy popular after all and Square Enix hasn’t exactly been hurting for money recently.

          • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

            I didn’t say they were hurting to finance the game. Or that MS was funding parts of the actual game. The contract could have cut lots of the promotional cost and such for SE is what I was suggesting. Possibly. I have no insider knowledge. That was simply a suggestion, and there could be other “deals” involved too. I don’t think any of it involved MS helping CD make the game. Now, helping SE publish the game, reduce those costs, that type of stuff, I won’t rule any deals like that out.

            Hypothetically – If MS was going to help reduce publishing costs for SE, that gets them (SE) closer to profiting off the game than before. Since it cuts down on the cost factor of promoting it, etc.

            It’s like if SE set aside a few million to promote the game. That’s something they have to eclipse before they can start to truly profit from the game. I’m sure that’s not the only thing either, but this is an example.

            If MS comes in and says we will pay for all of that, and says they will promote the game and more in return for timed exclusivity. That’s something the business people at SE would certainly consider.

            And sure, once they eventually release the game on other platforms, they just might have to spend money again to promote the game. By that time, they might have made some profit from it already though. Or, perhaps, they talk with Sony and get Sony to help them with it? Help us promote the definitive version of the game, Sony!

            This is all hypothetical here, but possible.

        • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

          No confirmation that I know of. I think its worth considering this type of exclusive deal could have been on the table for the first game though.

          They did reveal the rebooted Tomb Raider for the first time via MS e3 event. It seems like CD has been on good terms with Xbox from the start.

          They very well could have discussed some kind of timed exclusivity deal then, but decided to go with timed exclusive DLC instead.

          My point is, this could have been something both sides discussed off and on for years now. Just food for thought.

          • $18114340

            “My point is, this could have been something both sides discussed off and on for years now. Just food for thought.”

            You mean kind of like every terrible decision regarding the XB1 Microsoft has made in recent memory and probably had time to backtrack on, before it blew up in their faces and they had to go back on their promises anyway?

            • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

              If we are talking about this timed exclusive deal applying to the TR reboot, it would have been for 360.

              And, yes, MS stumbled big time out of the gates with XB1. I was one of the most vocal people online, expressing how upset and disappointed I was about it.

              You have to give them credit for listening and making the correct changes. Kicking out the people who were making these awful choices, and replacing them with people who cared. Putting Spencer at the helm and continuing to try and improve the brand.

              MS is not the only one with timed exclusive stuff. I would hope for the same response from the online community if Sony was doing this instead of MS.

              • $18114340

                Kicking Don Mattrick out probably isn’t difficult. Just ask EA or Zynga, which is sinking as we speak.

                And just because they’re not the only ones doing it doesn’t make it any less of a terrible idea. I’m seriously wondering what about Tomb Raider warrants timed-exclusivity. I don’t see the benefit from it for anybody involved, much less for Microsoft considering the fact that this article exists.

                • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

                  We don’t know all the details of the deal. We probably never will. One thing that typically does happen is on the promotional side.

                  MS will likely promote the game for Crystal Dynamics. And in return they get to show everyone that the game is currently only available on XB1.

                  This saves SE money, since MS will be promoting the game for them.

                  This happens all the time, especially with timed exclusive deals. How many ad’s have you seen for a game end with …

                  Exclusive content on PlayStation, or Exclusive content only on Xbox. That typically is a business agreement between the publisher and Sony or MS to help or take over the cost to promote the game.

                  This is just one simple part of how these deals are written up and negotiated between the publishers and MS or Sony. It’s not a simple — like — 1 page contract agreement type of thing.

                  • $18114340

                    Well duh. The thing I am questioning about this deal is whether that promotion is worth it in the long run. I’m guessing that it typically isn’t. Given that the last Tomb Raider game didn’t rake in big sales until later in its lifetime, I really have to ask how much exclusivity and promotion are going to help the game if it’ll eventually be on other platforms anyway, and since it’ll eventually make more money on other platforms than it could possibly hope to make on the Xbox alone.

                    I’m not seeing the benefit to SE here since releasing on multiplat from the start just seems like a better idea to me. The idea of multiplatform development being prohibitively expensive from the get-go doesn’t hold water these days given how scalable modern tech is. And for Microsoft, I’m also struggling to see the benefits since this has already resulted in negative press against them.

                    • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

                      Tough to tell until it comes out. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if there is more to the deal. Perhaps exclusive timed DLC, and maybe even an XB1 bundle.

                      It’s like I said though, I’m not so sure these deals are all about boosting sales. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were more “gray” than that. We help you cut cost here, you give us exclusive this here, etc. Stuff like that. I don’t have the details of the deal, so I don’t know.

                      Even if it doesn’t give a boost in sales for both sides, it might prove to be a good deal for both of them in some other way. They might both end up satisfied, who knows? Especially with business deals, and so much stuff behind closed doors.

                  • Budgiecat

                    I dun like it

      • Snub La

        People keep saying it’s business, but what is the benefit to MS with the game only being timed? It will further hurt their reputation,I know I will never buy an XboxOne.Sony never does exclusive timed games and neither does Nintendo.Also this game was announced for PS/PC at E3 and now it’s being delayed.Obviously there was no deal before gamescom.

        • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

          Timed exclusives have worked out well enough for them in the past. Both sides felt like they benefited from this in some way, that’s all I know.

  • rekka_zan

    Thank you for the sincerity, Mr. Spencer. It’s good to see game industry’s top people speak openly like this. Should’ve said “timed exclusive” from the beginning, though.

    I think timed exclusivity is a good choice. SE’s financial condition hasn’t been too good lately, and MS need something to push XBone forward. And people who don’t own XBone will still get to play it eventually. So in the end, everybody wins. Kind of.

    • $18114340

      SE’s financial condition? They were profitable last quarter, and an exclusive Tomb Raider (a series that has traditionally been multiplatform) isn’t going to help Xbox One as much as it could possibly hurt both it and Tomb Raider. I don’t see anybody winning with this. It just baffles me. SE was already disappointed by the sales of the last Tomb Raider despite it actually being very successful in the long run, enough to warrant a current-gen port when the original version only came out a little over a year ago.

      I think I’d actually be less confused if this wasn’t timed, but a full-blown exclusive. Because then we could say for sure, “the people playing this game definitely have no other choice but to buy an Xbox.”

    • Elle

      They are the few who consistently turn a profit each quarter out of all japan studios. CAPCOM on the other hand well….

      • Budgiecat

        Sega turned a profit (thanks to pachislot) but their game sales are still down 57%

  • $18114340

    This is dumb. I don’t see the benefit of having time-locked exclusives. In fact, I never did. People have pointed out (and I agree) that Tomb Raider has never been a system-seller on the level of titles such as Gears or even as Titanfall, so what’s the point of this? The IP already has a dedicated multiplatform fanbase and you’re just angering them by going exclusive. And the worst part? They’ll get to play it eventually anyway! So I don’t see how this benefits Microsoft, since anybody with an ounce of patience is just going to wait for the version for the console they already own if they don’t have an Xbox One, and I don’t see how this benefits Square Enix, since the amount of money MS is paying them for exclusivity can’t possibly offset the profit they could gain if they were multiplatform from day one. Or could it? Anybody?

    • Zackasaur

      MS would have to have paid tens of millions to make up for it.

  • Samsara09

    Well,microsoft still screwed us,since we will have to wait longer for it…But,well,I have to apologize to them,for my part in the outburst with the “exclusive” news.They helped make this game viable.For this,I thank them.

    • Budgiecat

      the news of the sequel was big before all this mess. All this has done is hurt its chances at success

  • MrFinalgamer

    Praise the boat!

  • DarthBrian

    “I didn’t buy the IP in perpetuity.”

    Well, at least he admits he bought something. I don’t think they’ve ever admitted to actual moneyhatting before. I think we’re making progress with Phil in charge. :p

    • Samsara09

      that guy looks sensible,and smart.”I don’t own the franchise”.Nice choice of words.

  • phayroent

    Timed exclusives are silly. Is the money the console maker really worth it when you lose a majority of the consumer base by launching on only one platform first? That MS money will be gone on the next game, and if TR doesn’t make back it’s money then MS’ money goes even faster. Crystal Dynamics are foolish for doing this, since the last TR didn’t make back it’s money until a year later across multiple platforms. RotTR won’t make back it’s money that soon if the exclusive duration is longer than a couple months, or at all if the gamers go elsewhere.

  • Yaro

    Exactly what I thought. When they said it will come exclusively this fall to xbone. I heard “exclusively this fall” and later to everything else immediately. No way a game like that would stay on one console.

    Exclusives are dumb IMO anyway.

    • Zackasaur

      Real exclusives have merit. For example, Uncharted 4 won’t be held back by the Xbone.

      But this Tomb Raider fiasco? It’s literally just a paid delay.

      • Yaro

        Now that I thought about it a little. Its totally fucking dishonest and disgusting how they (MS) presented the game. They say exclusively exclusively and only explain what exactly do they mean in a footnote hoping no one notices. Disgusting. Oh and preorder now plz.

  • CeroSuerte

    Whats a “headfake”?

    • $18114340

      An Xbox exclusive.

  • Infinity

    My outburst yesterday was not all that series to begin with, Tomb Raider was always a second hand placement for me. The only game I ever bought was the reboot.

  • Guy Incognito

    People were ready to burn Microsoft down over Tomb Raider. I think it’s time they exit the market.

  • shogunknight

    Damage Control :)

    • Samsara09

      successful.And with the meltdown over that news,we just too care of the game’s publicity.

  • http://ryuz4ki57inenglish.wordpress.com/ Thomas FROEHLICHER

    Crystal Dynamics cracked up pretty fast. They could learn one or two things from PG

  • whiteferrero

    Am I the only one that thinks that this admission, works damage control for Microsoft, but officially brands Crystal Dynamics as sellouts?
    Looks bad for SE. Especially after that tumblr post.

    ‘Our friends at Microsoft have always seen huge potential in Tomb Raider and have believed in our vision since our first unveil with them on their stage at E3 2011. We know they will get behind this game more than any support we have had from them in the past – we believe this will be a step to really forging the Tomb Raider brand as one of the biggest in gaming, with the help, belief and backing of a major partner like Microsoft.’

    I mean, what support, really? This just shows they left out a portion of the fans for quick money.
    Wonder how this will develop.

    • Zackasaur

      It’s a paid delay and ad campaign. Nothing more.

    • DjangoRaijin

      I feel like thats exactly what microsoft was going for. They dont want the same thing to happen to them that happened at launch so they shifted the blame. CD/Square look like huge villains while microsoft gets to be safe. I could be wrong but nobody was really mad at microsoft in the first place so them coming out and saying this and the way they worded it looks like theyre avoiding backlash by shifting blame to Square more than anything.

    • Elle

      SE deserves all the bad PR for crippling an established IP that JUST recovered from stumbling after a successful reboot. I don’t feel sorry for them.

      • Budgiecat

        An IP that made them more money than their FF XIII sequels..

        • Lelouch Vi Britannia

          Which are a major mixed bag that has had the FF fanbase split with those saying FFXIII is awesome and others saying it just plainly sucks.

  • BlueCereal

    Well its nice that it was confirmed, MS should try to keep more exclusives this gen though, people are already skeptical about exclusivity of non-first party exclusives.

    • Zackasaur

      They’ll never do it. lol

  • Mikail

    well, well, well Its another tragic Microsoft, and their partners PR stunts. Good luck with that, you guys just disdain on your own company brand image trust and quality :)

  • Protagonist

    Hahaha, this is gold. Spencer must have been hella nervous when people asked him how much they paid them.

  • DjangoRaijin

    Microsoft is obviously trying to save its butt here. There was no real reason for them to say anything except to shift the blame to Square (what I gathered from reading their response). This is going to kill Tomb Raiders sales on other platforms and even some of the xbox one fans might skip out just to prove a point. Once it comes out after holiday season noone is going to care and all the other games are going to start coming out. This was a terrible idea Square. You thought sales of the first were bad? Good Luck

  • artemisthemp

    I said the game was only Timed exclusive and some people said it would be permanent, so well… I am off to laugh ad them :P

    • AnimusVox

      I agree. But the way they announced it was kinda shady, and that’s what kinda made me a little (just a little) ticked. I also had a feeling it was going to be times but from what I’ve noticed they usually say it right away.

  • Akari Akaza

    Well looks like is really permanent it all depends on Square Enix the money or the fans? will it be the first time for Tomb Raider exclusive for one platform? a game that always been multi-platform what a shame for all the fans that play this series since the beginning. Some people can’t afford 2 consoles plus games and subscriptions for both.

  • Budgiecat

    It’s weird that Phil Spencer had to be the one to come out and say it while Square-Enix and Crystal Dynamics remain tight lipped (other than that ridiculous PR letter CD posted yesterday)….

    • shogunknight

      From the way i read, he seems not happy/pissed about making the statement

      • Budgiecat

        yeah it’s odd but I can see Square-Enix:

        Phil: “Why do I have to make a statement?? I paid YOU guys! I’m not your PR manager! this is your mess!”
        S-E: “But we don’t speak English! You say it!”
        Phil “But…you just responded to me in English! ”
        S-E “Do you undaastand the words coming out of my mouth filthy Gaijin?? Say it!”
        Phil “lemme think about it….no… I’m not saying it” *runs*
        S-E: “you Mutha-” *tackles Phil Spencer and get’s him in a kneebar submission* “SAY IT!!”
        Phil: “….N-no!…….aaagh you’re hurting me!” Don Mattrick, help me!”
        Don: *puzzled look* “eh…..I don’t even know what it’s like to be in a “kneebar”…plus I quit remember? buh-bye!”
        S-E: “I’m gonna break it!”
        Phil: “okay! OKAY! lemme go!”

  • Peacenutman

    Seriously, who didn’t see this coming? lol.

  • Snub La

    Obviously,but some folks wanted to brag about and now they look foolish.Just another desperate move by MS that will fail like all their other moves this generation.

  • AdamBoy64

    Hmm. Oh well.

    I’d kinda like to see more exclusives for each console this generation. It would help differentiate the consoles a bit.

  • Lelouch Vi Britannia

    My God first on N4G, and then on Facebook my friends on fb are bitching about “Rise of Tomb Raider” being only on XB1. I’m thinking so the Friggin hell what. It’s 1 game, just 1 bloody game and everyone is going apeshit all the while ignoring the fact that yesterday SONY announced a number of really cool new IP’s but wait people still have to bitch about it.

    • MasterSensei

      A lot of people liked the first game and was excited when a sequel was announced… of course people would get angry when it was first announced to be exclusive…

  • Paul Rodriguez

    Since we now know that this is a timed exclusive people can hopefully move on. Timed exclusivity happens quite often. I can understand why people get up in arms about it but it is not new.

    • Snub La

      People are tired of MS doing this.They are the only ones.It’s a waste of money and lying to consumers making them think they cannot get the game on another console.It is really annoying.

  • Klozby

    Well, Halo and Gears of War “were a deal between them and the partner” too, and Microsoft didn’t buy the IP until recently.

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  • tokyobassist

    That was quick. Sad that somebody from Microsoft had to do Crystal Dynamics’ PR.

    This might be a good thing for other platform owners though. Plenty to play until they release this on PS4 and PC and we’re absolutely going to get the version that has all the DLC and with better performance.