Mugen Souls Z coming west in 2014
posted on 10.22.13 at 09:13 PM EDT by (@salromano)
Stop an ancient, recently reawakened threat.

NIS America is bringing Mugen Souls Z, released this April in Japan, to North America and Europe in 2014, the company announced.

The game, due out for physical and digital releases, features a free-roaming battle map, turn-based combat, “massive” amounts of customization, a level cap of 9999, and “billions” of damage points to be dealt to enemies.

NIS America will be editing “certain aspects” of the original release, “due to the sensisive nature of some content.”

Find a summary of the game below, courtesy of NIS America:

Our favorite Undisputed God of the Universe, Chou-Chou, returns with her crew for a brand-new story revolving around the zodiac. Taking place immediately after the first game, you take control of the goddess Sylma, who meets Chou-Chou before the end of the first game’s events. Sylma is out to stop an ancient threat to her world that has recently awakened. 9999 levels of maniacal mishaps and ethereal adventures await Sylma, her crew, and hordes of Shampurus as Mugen Souls Z hits Western shores in 2014!

View a new set of screenshots at the gallery.

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  • DarthBrian

    Awesome! :)

  • Leon_Tekashi

    Okay, at this point, I totally understand about them editing some parts out. Removing a little bit of fan service isn’t going to kill anyone..hopefully. Either way, it’s about time! Another game to look forward to in 2014! =D

    • Rednal

      It really isn’t – I know some people love their fanservice and hate editing, but having played and beaten the Japanese version, I can attest to the fact that people really won’t be missing out on much. ^^

      • Leon_Tekashi

        I know you have to the fullest, I trust your words.

    • Elvick

      Yay, some reasonable people in here. Was worried it be only people overreacting to the first game.

      I saw people referring to Mugen Souls localization as “butchering” the game because of the censorship. That’s just insane.

      I’m not keen on censorship, but I trust that NISA only does it in order to be sure they can bring over the game. Will definitely buy this one like I did the first.

  • Xaltmas

    CDPR should just cancel The Witcher 3. There is no way it could compete with this kind of masterpiece.

    • Budgiecat

      Or at the very least, throw some naked 10 year old girls covered in soap bubbles in the game to at least be on par…

    • passthegrenadeplease

      Seriously, I doubt Witcher 3 is going to sell like hotcakes anyways, Witcher 3 doesn’t even look like its going to hold a candle to Mugen Souls Z. The choice is practically obvious.

    • http://ryuz4ki57inenglish.wordpress.com/ Thomas FROEHLICHER

      TW3 should be fine. It’s directed to an entirely different audience so they shouldn’t eat each other’s sales too much. Btw, TW has full nudity…

  • CirnoTheStrongest

    Can’t wait!

  • fireemblembeast

    Didn’t the first one not do well though? Why would they release this? I mean, I’m not complaining… I might pick it up if they fixed some of the stuff from the first one. Which I have yet to finish! ^_^;

    • CirnoTheStrongest

      SOoooo much has been improved. It’s a better game in every way really

      • fireemblembeast

        I hope so. I’ll look into a bit more, I guess.

    • Alkhan

      Yeah the first one had a ton of problems, especially with the frame rate, and I could never finish it. I’m glad they corrected a lot of the more glaring problems in the sequel and are releasing it in the west.

  • kirby755

    Finally its being localized!!! But now dammit so many games coming next year again!!! and crappy budget makes it so painful to decide what to get first!!! Seriously its a conundrum!!!

  • bldudas

    I’ve been waiting for this announcement. I really liked the first game.

  • DesmaX

    eeeeeh, not even gonna bother with this one. The first game was shit

    • Rednal

      MSZ is -drastically- better than the first. Better loading, better battles… better everything, really.

      • DesmaX

        Nah man, I’m familiar with IF.

        After Nep V, I won’t buy any other of their games. I reached my limit

  • $18114340

    ‘NIS America will be editing “certain aspects” of the original release, “due to the sensisive nature of some content.”’

    for the love of god why

    • Xaltmas

      Because shit’s creepy, yo.

      • $18114340

        they’re just lolis

        • DesmaX

          That makes it even worse

          • Leon_Tekashi

            Lolis + “That” = Not a good thing at all.

        • Kevadu

          Under US law, even drawings of children can be prosecuted as child porn. And considering that the lolis here are naked and being touched by the player, I’m sure somebody could make a case that it’s child porn. Ultimately it’s ambiguous, but this is one of those things where the law is so vague and broad that you really don’t know until things to to court (which is kind of a problem in of itself…).

          I seriously doubt anyone at NISA wanted to go to jail over this game…

          • $18114340

            Considering that NISA apparently feels like bringing over the sequel to a game that was controversial for the same reasons, probably has the same kind of removed content in the localized version, when the original was already received pretty poorly by the western gaming public, I trust in their judgement. I just still fundamentally disagree with the idea of censorship, and I feel as if NISA should at least be clarifying what they intend to remove.

            This isn’t just about what could potentially be litigated as child pornography. It’s a matter of cultural conflict as well. It’s just that child porn happens to be a particularly huge, daunting landmine with western audiences — any anime fan who follows the lawsuits will tell you how insane the court cases can get (don’t bring any anime into Canada), and how much of a terrible reputation this type of content has because it’s regarded with ignorant hostility by the majority of people unfamiliar with it.

            I’m sure that Sega felt that the content cut from the localizations of the Yakuza games could also potentially have been a subject of extreme controversy to the point of possible litigation. I’m sure that Germany and Australia find the violence prevalent in certain video games to be so abhorrent that it would be amoral to play them, and can justify their ban on violent video games on those grounds as well. I can still disagree. There are plenty of other examples that may not be exact analogues but the principles apply fairly well across the board. The west kind of has a history of this sort of thing and I think it gets ridiculous more often than it needs to.

            That being said, if NISA is doing it to avoid headaches I can’t blame them.

          • http://ryuz4ki57inenglish.wordpress.com/ Thomas FROEHLICHER

            Makes sense. But wouldn’t Senran Kagura face the same problem?

            • Kevadu

              The girls in Senran Kagura are far from lolis…

              • http://ryuz4ki57inenglish.wordpress.com/ Thomas FROEHLICHER

                I’m not so sure…

    • Kevadu

      99% of the time I would completely agree with that sentiment. Seriously.

      But, having seen the sort of content that got cut from the original Mugen Souls (not sure about Z), I can’t say it was a big loss…

      • $18114340

        I just disagree with the principle of censorship in this situation. I get that in the first game the cut content wasn’t a big deal. We can’t say the same for the second game until we know what was cut.

    • Rednal

      Because of the same reasons as the first game – but the edited content really isn’t that great. I’ve played it (I own the JP version of the game), and… the minigame is fun to do for a character a grand total of about once. And the game is perverted as heck anyway, so there’s still tons of fanservice to enjoy. ^^

    • Budgiecat

      Because Pedobear

  • MrKappa

    I’m surprised they are even doing this since the first sold like shit. They are also making the same mistake that caused it and “editing” the game. You can also expect this game to be half dubbed or less.

    Maybe they are in the business of losing money or just not making a lot.

  • Budgiecat

    Japan sure loves their ‘safe’ cartoon child ****.

    Bible thumpin’ Mericuh not so much….

    • Xaltmas

      I don’t think “bible thumpin” has much to do with it.

      We like our women developed. At least I do.

      • $18114340

        We also like playing video games where you constantly confront stereotypical Russians and Middle Eastern people with extreme graphic violence through consuming sensationalist military propaganda and overly simplistic generalizations masquerading as deep social commentary wholesale, and often no reasonable alternative. It’s a ridiculous double standard.

        You could just as easily say, “I like my terrorists dead”. It’s an ignorant statement that projects and enables stereotypes by generalizing aesthetics with no regards for content and a blatant disregard for rational analysis.

        The west seems perfectly fine with games where you can inappropriately interact with deeply misogynistic and exaggerated portrayals of “developed women” and it’s perfectly acceptable to just cram suggestions of sexual assault into your games en masse in poor attempts at exploiting emotions (Beyond, Tomb Raider, The Last of Us), but as soon as you approach the topic of “pictures that resemble children, even vaguely and nebulously, in even the most slightly suggestive manner” then oh no better break out the big guns

        • Xaltmas

          I wasn’t aware that the US only made military shooters.

          Also, man, if you like looking at half-naked girls with the bodies of children, that’s cool.

          Do what you do, bro.

          • $18114340

            Oh, it’s not all they make. The US (the west in general) is responsible for making a lot of shitty games that tend to exploit subjects of racism, sexism, terrorism, in pretty awful ways… and people lap it up without much objection. I’m just asking for a little consistency here.

            • Xaltmas

              Listen. You don’t have to keep trying to justify the lolicon.

              It’s okay. I understand.

              • $18114340

                No, you apparently don’t, if your constant marginalizing of the actual issue at hand (which is censorship being applied disproportionately according to a skewed cultural standard) and your retreat to crass, inane mockery is any indication.

                • Xaltmas

                  Then enlighten me.

                  • $18114340

                    Scroll up four posts and actually read this time.

                    http://cbldf.org/

                    “Enlightenment” is supposed to be achieved individually through self-motivation. I can’t enlighten you, only you can.

                    • Xaltmas

                      I did. It was you pointing the finger at something else, going “they are just as bad!”.

                      That isn’t going to cut it.

                    • $18114340

                      In this case, that’s exactly what the problem is. It doesn’t make sense to censor one thing that is considered objectionable but to fight at the pulpit for something else considered objectionable.

                      Again, what I’m asking for is consistency. The entire idea of censorship is that it is selective. Certain European countries censor graphic violence. Maybe other western countries should follow the example?

                      Besides, you’ve repeatedly demonstrated that you aren’t going to accept “justifying the lolicon”. You aren’t looking to be convinced. So make up your mind here: what do you want?

                    • Xaltmas

                      The content in Mugen could be looked at as child porn in some countries.

                      You really can’t grasp that it would be more objectionable than violence?

                    • $18114340

                      No, I can’t, because some countries would consider violence more objectionable than what other countries arbitrarily decide is child porn (like Japan), and it’s bewildering that violence or the connotations of sexual or racially motivated violence common in western games aren’t already commonly considered more objectionable than they currently are.

                      Besides, Japan has its own problems to sort out with the whole anime child porn thing.

                      And I thought you just said this wasn’t about pointing fingers at who’s worse.

                    • Xaltmas

                      So, child porn isn’t as bad as violence, is that what you are saying?

                    • $18114340

                      Are you saying that child porn is worse than violence? Mass genocide and facism are better than child porn?

                      This isn’t about what’s better or worse, it’s about being fair. If child porn is bad, then we should be treating the subject with as much delicate sensitivity and respect as we treat graphic violence.

                      Which is to say, none. Currently.

                    • Xaltmas

                      In video games? Yes they are. Violence in video games is more acceptable than the kind of shit that is in games like Mugen Souls.

                    • $18114340

                      And I’m saying that’s exactly the kind of inane double standard that is terrible and disproportionate.

                      You seem perfectly fine with saying “violence in video games is more acceptable” but you never stop to think about why because you cling to your preconceived notions of what is better or worse. You might as well be bible-thumping.

                      The “pedo shit” in games like Mugen Souls isn’t better or worse than the violence shit in the vast majority of video games. If we’re going to censor Mugen Souls on the basis of hating “pedo shit” we should at least be carefully considering what we define as “pedo shit”.

                    • Xaltmas

                      Whatever dude. You sure have convinced yourself that looking at naked little girls isn’t any worse than killing virtual people in a game.

                    • $18114340

                      It really isn’t. Virtual naked girls aren’t any more real than virtual dead terrorists.

                    • Xaltmas

                      All this because you are upset that NISA took out a mini-game where you rub little girls in a bathtub.

                      You’ve got some issues that you need sort out.

                    • $18114340

                      I’m not upset that NISA took out a mini-game where you rub little girls in a bathtub, I’m upset because of the kneejerk approval of the removal.

                    • Xaltmas

                      Because it’s a mini game with naked little girls…

                    • Budgiecat

                      lmao

                    • DesmaX
                    • Cottonwell

                      Reading this thread, it seems gold163 is saying “they’re both bad, so they should be equally restricted”, rather than “Naked loli’s are more moral than Mass murder”.

                      I agree that a person who indulges in murder and sex fantasies getting all moral and righteous about someone else’s sex fantasies has a fair bit of hypocrisy, that’s unavoidable. But it’s still good that this material is being viewed as unacceptable, it should be.

                      Now, if only we could work on the murder-simulations not being the most popular type of game thing…

                    • Budgiecat

                      How is it a double standard?

                      You can justify killing in self defense in real life when an adult is trying to kill you or your friends and family. It’s called self defense.
                      In these games you highlighted (Tomb Raider, TLoU, Beyond) you play the main character defending themselves from common thugs and enemies, terrorists and undead humans.

                      In what court of law can you justify raping a little girl in a bathub?

                    • $18114340

                      Some people would believe you can justify (morally) killing in any situation, and some people believe that you can’t justify killing in any situation.

                      If we’re strictly talking about legality here, then how convenient that the majority of games that view violence as a central point try to avoid the legality (and most of the time, the moral issues as well).

                      This isn’t about justifying child rape.

                    • Budgiecat

                      Beyond doesn’t avoid the moral issues of killing. That’s what the whole African mission was about.

                      Did you even play the game?

                      You are in a sense justifing child rape if you’re condoning keeping the scene in this game and its prequel because there is no point for it

                    • $18114340

                      Just because a game’s story includes moral issues does not mean it confronts them.

                    • Budgiecat

                      It DID confront them! What the heck are you talking about?? Once again, did you play the game or are you just talking out your butt? Because I don’t want to debate with farts…

                    • $18114340

                      Clever.

                    • Budgiecat

                      oh cmon answer the question..

                      please?

                    • Budgiecat

                      Murder has always been illegal in Japan. No one is condoning murder. Self defense is justified if someone is trying to take your life however if it can be properly explained in court.
                      Child porn was only made illegal just 14 years ago there.
                      Exploitation of innocent children sexually via statutory rape for the use of monetary benefit. Legal, in 1999 and before it. Think on that.

                    • Budgiecat

                      Kids are taboo subject best left alone because kids are considered innocent. That’s why you also can’t kill kids in most games..

                    • $18114340

                      The idea of putting kids in a game where you are allowed to kill everybody except the kids is just as stupid. Don’t put them in the game at all if you don’t want to see them dead.

                    • Budgiecat

                      They’re not IN the game! There’s no kids in GTA V

                      There’s no kids running around in Tomb Raider

                      You don’t kill the kid in Beyond: Two Souls in the African mission. You help him.

                      There aren’t any kids running around in TLoU aside from that guys little brother who you HELP

                    • Audie Bakerson

                      Most people outside of Canada, South Australia, New Zealand, Sweden and France don’t care about the schizophrenic judges of Canada, South Australia, New Zealand and Sweden or the laws of France

            • Budgiecat

              Oh Japan isn’t racist at all. Nope not at all. Check out this recent game that sold over 200K copies

              http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ohmygoditsdip.jpg

              • $18114340

                Japan is plenty racist, if recent negative reviews of King of Fighters XIII on the basis of its flagrant use of racial and gender stereotypes by decidedly progressively-minded media outlets like the Penny-Arcade Report is any indication. That’s not the point I’m getting at here.

        • Budgiecat

          You just named three games with deep intelligently written stories with strong female leads overcoming hardships

          WTF does this game do?

          Oh you can tickle naked 10 year olds

          DEEP!

          • $18114340

            Calling Beyond and Tomb Raider “deep” and “intelligently written” is something I would disagree with. Video games have “great writing” if you consider them in a vacuum. Otherwise, games such as Beyond in particular tend to put on stark relief the inherent limitations of storytelling in video games anyway, and “strong female leads” is just as harmful a stereotype as “weak female leads” because it is a stereotype.

            • Xaltmas

              It’s still better than your pedo mini-games.

              • $18114340

                I disagree. They’re equally vapid.

            • Budgiecat

              So we can’t win either way huh can’t have weak female leads cant have strong female leads don’t even bother trying to make an intelligent story so the only alternative is TICKLE NAKED 10 YEAR OLD GIRLS

              Sooooooo Deeeeep.

              Your Pedobear defense is quite impressive I must say though…

              • $18114340

                That’s really not what I’m saying at all.

          • Kevadu

            One game, maybe. I think that describes The Last of Us well, but I certainly wouldn’t put Tomb Raider or Beyond: Two Souls in that category.

            • $18114340

              The whole “there’s attempted rape, so we shoot people in the face because we’re the good guys” is terrible and overplayed and in the interest of fairness I say we just remove it from games altogether.

              • Kevadu

                Oh come on. It’s a cliche, sure, but how much content in modern media is truly original? It feels like just about everything has been rehashed to death already (and Japan is certainly not immune to that).

                I’m more interested in the execution, and The Last of Us did it very well.

                • $18114340

                  Fair enough. But even if The Last of Us could be considered a hallmark of storytelling in video games, it’s still a far cry from being “deep” or “meaningful” and the desperate insistence that it is as some sort of justification for the compromises it makes in both gameplay and story for the sake of its contrived narrative just makes me cringe.

                  • Budgiecat

                    But yet you give this game a pass which has no reasons for it to even exist? AND it’s pedo??

                    • $18114340

                      I gave this game a pass because at least it isn’t trying to pretend it’s something it isn’t.

                      To be fair, The Last of Us being so irritatingly overblown isn’t the game’s fault, it’s the fault of its bombastic and hyperbolic reception.

                    • Budgiecat

                      You’re arguing something completely different now. because you’re subjectively arguing another game’s hype and quality which is a different subject matter altogether.

                      You can’t ‘give a pass’ to a game that promotes pedophilia statutory rape.

                    • $18114340

                      “You can’t ‘give a pass’ to a game that promotes pedophilia statutory rape.”

                      NISA’s removal of the objectionable content in the western release should tell you all you need to know on the subject. Again, the removal of the content itself doesn’t bother me as much knowing what the content is and why it was removed. But it’s a slippery slope…

                    • Budgiecat

                      Huh? Run that by me again? It almost sounded like you’re agreeing with me now.

                    • $18114340

                      It isn’t that simple.

              • Budgiecat

                buuut pedophilia is okay. wtf..

                You do realize that is simulated statutory rape right? I mean, in the game you’re actually doing it as opposed to the threat of rape in the other games where nothing actually happened..

                • $18114340

                  I’m not saying it’s okay, I’m saying that it’s equally as bad and you’re telling me it’s not.

                  • Budgiecat

                    One is the threat of rape but overcoming it so it never actually happens

                    The other is YOU simulating child rape on a character.

                    Of course the latter is worse!

                • CirnoTheStrongest

                  …”simulated statutory rape”
                  Yes, giving someone a bath is truly rape. Just…where do you get this information from? There’s nothing anywhere near “rape” going on during that mini-game…

                  • Budgiecat

                    Tell that to the judge

                    • CirnoTheStrongest

                      You can call it ‘CP’ if you want (though I really think you’re taking things too far with that..), but quite honestly, you’re just grasping at straws to call it rape…Nothing sexual happens. Nothing. That mini-game is just a joke of a mini-game to oggle girls in their underwear/swimsuits.

                    • Budgiecat

                      If you (an adult) get caught sexually fondling a little girl in a bathub, what’s that called?

                    • CirnoTheStrongest

                      That’s not even what’s happening…*sigh* I give up. Obviously you just want things to be a certain way, and can’t accept that they aren’t that way. Enjoy your pedophilia fantasies

                    • Budgiecat

                      What?? Hey don’t flip the script on me! That ain’t right..

                      You’re the one defending the game not me, so you need to explain yourself

                  • $18114340

                    “Did you even play the game?”

                    • CirnoTheStrongest

                      Yes. I have. And it’s nowhere near “rape”
                      I beat the first game and got all the endings. And I’ve put about 40 hours into Z by now. That mini-game is nowhere near what some seem to be blowing it up to be. It’s just really suggestive is all. Nothing really happens.

                    • $18114340

                      Oh stop it, you almost sound like you’re defending simulated statutory rape, you pedophile.

                      *cough*

                    • CirnoTheStrongest

                      I’m not sure if you’re serious or being facetious…

                    • $18114340

                      I’m always being facetious.

            • Budgiecat

              Did you even play Beyond Two Souls? You actually have a choice to avoid the situation altogether like most visual novels have branching story lines. And that even effects something that happens years later in the game’s story. ..

              • $18114340

                You also have a choice not to play the pedo mini game if you don’t want to, even if it’s there.

                • Budgiecat

                  It shouldn’t be there in the first place.

                  However, on the contrast, the scene in Beyond: Two Souls isn’t even offensive in the slightest and unlike the shallow reasons the pedo mini game has, it’s not intended for any ‘fanservice’.

                  • $18114340

                    Who gets to decide what is “offensive in the slightest” or what is “shallow” and “fanservice”?

                    • Budgiecat

                      The ESRB?

                      Your common sense?

        • MrKappa

          This is a very interesting discussion/argument. If I didn’t know any better I would say gold was captain of the debate team.
          You guys arguing with him should at least properly respond to him instead of acting like children and saying ‘lol pedo I don’t hav to listen!11!!”

          • $18114340

            I’m just using big words. But yes, I’d appreciate actual responses, because it’s frustrating to have to deal with, “if you disagree with me, you MUST be a pedophile!”

          • Luna Kazemaru

            you are really expecting to much from the 2 people in question lol.

            • Budgiecat

              I’m awesome though and everyone loves me

              except this bird chasing me in my avatar

          • Budgiecat

            Oh c’mon. It’s a clear cut case. He loses we win. I don’t need to use big words to explain the obvious.

    • Warboss Aohd

      dat’z not stereotypin’ at all. /sarcasm

      • Budgiecat

        hey: Japan officially made child porn illegal to make in 1999

        1999 bro

        And meanwhile it’s still ‘legal’ to posses child porn there (just can’t distribute it)

        Just sayin’….

        • $18114340

          (citation needed)

          If anything, what the west might consider “child pornography” from Japan could be on the way out.

          • Budgiecat

            wiki it bro

            And Japan even considers it child porn hence the massive wave of trying to ban some of it’s media.

            Every country has issues but let’s not try to pretend Japan is safe from them just because we like their games kay?

            When trains specifically have cars set for ‘women and children only’ you have a social problem that needs to be addressed…

            • $18114340

              “And Japan even considers it child porn hence the massive wave of trying to ban some of it.”

              … but that’s what I just said?

              • Budgiecat

                Your post wasn’t that clear sorry.

                And despite the efforts, I really don’t think it’ll pass over there…

    • Luna Kazemaru

      Its amusing how you aren’t banned.

      • Budgiecat

        Because I don’t say anything ban-able

        Amused much?

        • Luna Kazemaru

          Yes your shit trolling and stereotyping is quite amusing.

          • Budgiecat

            Your welcome…..I guess?

    • Budgiecat

      Okay don’t nobody downvote me no more that’s enough. At least put an upvote there or two to balance it out

      • Ferrick

        so let me get this clear, you want people to downvote you more ? because there’s a double negative there

        • Budgiecat

          Why come you gots to be like that?

          • Luna Kazemaru

            Because you would have to be a drunk to update that post. =_= I can agree this game is questionable but no one in a right mind would try and agree with that post.

            • Budgiecat

              I’ve seen stranger things happen….

      • Pekola

        If your post gets downvoted enough, it’ll end up in moderation. Which is what I thought the purpose of it was. If a mod isn’t around, the community can downvote and censor anything harmful.

        trying to be funny (and failing) is not downvote worthy, imo.

        • Budgiecat

          I think people just downvote because they can. I prefer when people at least respond because I like the discussions even if they agree or not. but drive by downvotes is like running past a person and farting. Its not cool dood…

          Edit: damn i got downvoted again! Cowards!

          • Ferrick

            what’s there to discuss ?

            you started off with that retarded line, and expect people to join in and discuss normally ? Lol, very unlikely

            • Budgiecat

              Aren’t you discussing it right now? Normally? I appreciate your input.

  • Warboss Aohd

    hahahahahahahahaha

    no

  • Luna Kazemaru

    I came to these comments for amusement and sure enough
    I get it.

  • https://twitter.com/BinksFrost Binks5

    quite fascinating

  • Pekola

    This game doesn’t appeal to the mass market here and will only be purchased by a small niche.

    So unless it’s because of legal reasons, I don’t see why they’d edit it. They’re not going to tap into some magical mainstream market by removing raunchiness being performed on chibi/super deformed girls.

    I don’t really get the whole cultural connotations (would this be considered Lolicon? Idk)

    • Budgiecat

      They remove it because they want to avoid any controversy understand?
      There is no ‘cultural connotations’ because even in Japan, these type of things are trying to be removed…

      • DesmaX

        Actually, they wanted to avoid an AO rating by ESRB.

        • $18114340

          More realistically, if the game encouraged interactive player-driven pedophilia the ESRB would not have rated the game at all.

          • Budgiecat

            It is pedophilia. it’s just not graphic porn with full on nudity.

        • Budgiecat

          Well that too

      • Pekola

        The people who want to buy this are small in numbers. I don’t see them raking in new audience.

        So it’s like…what is controversy gonna do? It’s not like this will sell-out or anything.

        Can you explain what kinds of ‘things’? Does this game actually have child pornography or kids performing sexual acts? I know there was controversy in the past game due to the designs looking underage, but do they actually do anything over the top?

        • Budgiecat

          All I wanna know is what kind of effed up world do we live in where a crap game like this gets localized but we can’t have nice things like Yakuza 5?

          ANSWER ME!!

          • Pekola

            Well ask NISA to localize Yakuza 5. Problem solved.

            They localize almost everything.

            • Elvick

              Sega wouldn’t allow that. They don’t let people touch Shining either. It’s like Namco and Tales, they won’t let anyone else touch it. It’s them or nothing.

              • Budgiecat

                Well maybe Atlus can help!

    • Luna Kazemaru

      ESRB ratings would have been AO ect ect honest I don’t even care about this game kinda shock this was even happening because i thought the other one sold like shit turds. FFF while IMO boring as hell would have been a better choice.

      • Budgiecat

        I’m sure that’ll be localized..

        • Luna Kazemaru

          still boring as hell IMO the MC even look like he is bored half the time.

          • Budgiecat

            Wouldn’t you be?

      • DesmaX

        Could you elaborate more on FFF?

        I was kiiiinda interessed, since they changed the writer

        • Luna Kazemaru

          Its kinda hard for me to really put it in words i guess you can say its neptunia only with males and the story isn’t made to humorist or so. I only watch LL play it since i really didn’t get that much interest in it

          • Budgiecat

            When I heard it would have Amano as the artist for the game, I thought they’d think outside the box for once, break free from their moe chains and actually use him to create the character models instead of recycling Neptunia art by using that other guy again.

            I was hoping for more mature looking Amano art dating back to stuff like Vampire Hunter D, Gatchaman, and his Tatsunoko days…

            • CirnoTheStrongest

              Amano did some monster designs. And, the person who usually does Neptunia character designs is Tsunako.

              • Budgiecat

                Yeah I know I just randomly forget his name at times.

                But yeah I’d have preferred they just use Amano altogether. Try a different art approach. He is like one of the pioneers of Anime.

                • CirnoTheStrongest

                  Btb, Tsunako’s not a guy

            • Luna Kazemaru

              I’ll give it one thing the music when you active the armor is pretty good

          • DesmaX

            Oh, I did look some videos there. It looked like the exact same thing.

            • Luna Kazemaru

              I mean i don’t hate the game but if it didn’t look/play like neptunia for the most part I would be more interested. If i wanted to play neptunia i play that.

              • DesmaX

                Well, I can have some fun with the Neptunia games… Until they open their mouth, that is.

                If they would just fix that, I guess I can give them another chance

      • http://ryuz4ki57inenglish.wordpress.com/ Thomas FROEHLICHER

        FFF should logically follow suit if MSZ gets localised. IMHO it’s pretty fine so far : music is really good, both design styles are surprisingly complementary and characters are fun. Looks too easy though, and the framerate is totally broken…

        • Luna Kazemaru

          From what LL told me the game is clearly easy as hell

  • Audie Bakerson

    A game bombs in the west because it was censored, so the first thing you do is confirm the sequel will ALSO be censored.

    That uh… makes sense…

    I’m honestly not sure why they bothered with translating this. The first game was poorly received commercially, critically and among the target audience.

    • Elvick

      A game sells well enough to bring the sequel to west with censorship of something that is meaningless.

      The sequel is announced for the west and the first thing you do is confirm it’s censored like the first one which sold fine.

      It does make perfect sense.

      • Audie Bakerson

        NISA employees confirmed it did sell like crap during the Victory stream on Twich.

        • Elvick

          Then explain why this is coming.

  • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

    Starts reading the comments in here… What in the? Oh my goodness! Serious business discussions in here. Kinda crazy…

    As for removing or editing content. I think that topic is always a slippery slope. It can be tough to discuss, the proof is right here via comments in this thread.

    I don’t really know enough about what was edited or removed, etc.

    I’ll say this. I’m not a big fan of removing content or editing content enough that it changes it. With that said, I understand both sides. I think some kind of middle ground should be found. I’ve suggested this before, but how about on/off or unlock features in the games menu? You can have it disabled or locked or whatever by default, but if you want that content, you just unlock or turn it on.

    It’s kinda like how some games with heavy gore/blood have on/off choices in the menu. Even though it’s usually turned on by default. I just think my suggestion above could possibly provide that middle ground I suggested we need to have. Just food for thought.

    • Oscar Alberto Abrego Suarez

      No it wouldnt because such features would still be in it.

      • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

        I get what your saying, but I was trying to be technical. I’m not even sure what content in the game is being edited/removed.

        It’s likely still in it after they cut it out edit it in someway. Just like the hot coffee thing in GTA. If the right type of people get access to the game’s code, I’m sure someone can find the removed features.

        • British_Otaku

          I wonder how much “soccer moms” and Fox News would flip out if people modded games more often. Any shower scene with 3D models could have the camera turned anywhere, if the modelers put in… extra detail where they didn’t think it would be seen, we could get this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/128917-Ellen-Page-Nudity-in-Beyond-Two-Souls-Triggers-Aggressive-Sony-Response

          Beyond Two Souls didn’t even release long ago.

        • Oscar Alberto Abrego Suarez

          Yes but this time you cant access to said content in a “legal” way, this boils down to the esrb rating.

          Besides the removed content wasnt even that important in the first game, people just nitpick.

    • British_Otaku

      That’s a fine idea, Zero.
      However games get rated based on the most mature content, even if there was a “No Ecchi -> Ecchi” bar, the game would be an AO or whatever NISA are afraid of.

      That’s why No More Heroes 2 (which was censored outside of America) was going to have two versions in Europe before they wised up and just made it uncut everywhere.

      Your idea works when the publishers is certain about the rating they will be getting and just wants more options to rope in people we may get queasy or in trouble if blood is displayed so liberally on their screens. Most shooters can do this.

      • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

        Do you really think it would change the game to an AO rating? That would be surprising. You know what, I think I’d honestly be okay with that. They never use the AO rating, mostly because specific retailers won’t carry AO games. I can think of some games that probably should be rated AO, but slide by with an M for that very reason.

        You make a good point. Another idea would be to offer the content as DLC down the road. You avoid the rating problem and people who want the content can download it.

        • British_Otaku

          I don’t know for sure whether it would go for an AO rating, in fact every game I recognise which has gotten that rating actually had sex and successors (Heavy Rain, GTAV, Beyond: Two Souls) which have went further. I’m just certain that NISA must have some sort of major fear of something (Trouble with the news? AO rating lowering sales? Not being rated meaning they have to spend resources getting it rated again?) to choose to censor it.

          Developers/publishers don’t have control of the rating system, it’s the other way around, so the lack of AO ratings in games you expect to have them is a result of inconsistent standards between games and between generations. I still want to hear what games you think should been above M though, or your take on Senran Kagura Burst being rated T.

          I suppose it would be nice to release this content as DLC, but given that the content was in the game from the beginning, it may get bought but people will be incredibly bitter towards it.

          If it’s free, that’s free content which perhaps the ESRB don’t want in the hands of people under 18 years of age. :/

    • Luna Kazemaru

      I kinda feel sorry for you :/

      • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

        Thanks. Sometimes, a controversial subject comes along and people want to discuss it. The way they discuss it, or what part of the topic they discuss might not always be ideal. The thing is, I simply try and watch over the conversation. We have a set of guidelines we follow, but we don’t follow it like a set of laws. I know some would, which is fine, but we take a bit more of a laid back approach.

        It’s a tough thing to do. I never want to censor someone or flat out stop a conversation if I don’t have to. Even when I might disagree with the opinions being posted.

  • GDI

    Oh my, I come back a few hours later and this is the most active thread ever. The arguments were also very informative.

    I don’t know if it’s appropriate to plug this, but I also happen to be a dev experimenting with Japan-style borderline gameplay:

    http://rubbinggames.blogspot.com/

    Not H by any means, but probably pushing it, so be warned it’s NSFW.

  • http://ryuz4ki57inenglish.wordpress.com/ Thomas FROEHLICHER

    This confirms that I will import the original version. Censorship occur during wars.

    • Chestnut Bowl

      Import both. Mugen Souls Z is such a better game than the original.

      • http://ryuz4ki57inenglish.wordpress.com/ Thomas FROEHLICHER

        I mean the Japanese version of MSZ. The first one didn’t catch my eye, but Z did

  • Chestnut Bowl

    Interesting move considering the first one sold poorly here and MSZ sold poorly in Japan (even though MSZ is a huge improvement). I actually like the series, but I would recommend people just import both titles if they want an uncensored experience.

    • Budgiecat

      And a confusing experience if they don’t understand the language…just for one or two useless mini games

      Yeah that makes sense.. -_-

  • http://twitter.com/M_Demolish Demolish

    i dont care its sell enough or not,

    the important thing is im gonna bought Mugen souls & Z together.

  • artemisthemp

    Hopefully this means Neptune Idol PP still have a chance for been localized

    • http://ryuz4ki57inenglish.wordpress.com/ Thomas FROEHLICHER

      You just foresaw the future XD

      • artemisthemp

        Well Neptunia game to be localize will be Re: Birth 1

  • JustAnotherPerson

    What irritates me the most is not the censorship, which is still a dick move, so much as the fact that they expect me to pay full price for a game from which they have removed content. That isn’t going to happen.

    • http://twitter.com/GNPixie Lynx

      Have you seen the removed content?

      It’d easily crank the rating up to an AO.
      ESRB = / = CERO.

      If it were to get an AO, it would be impossible to sell.

    • Elvick

      And how do you determine what that one thing is worth?

      It’s most certainly not going to be worth $10. So… how much should they give us?

      10 cents?