Kojima responds to criticism of Metal Gear Solid V’s Quiet
posted on 09.07.13 at 07:42 PM EDT by (@salromano)
'You will be ashamed when you understand the secret of her exposure.'

Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima has responded to criticisms concerning Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain character Quiet (pictured, full shots here), which 343 Industries designer David Ellis called “disgusting” on Twitter.

“Don’t care if this gets me in trouble,” Ellis said yesterday. “This character design is disgusting. Our industry should be better than this.

“Industry full of man babies. Ugh,” he added.

In response today, Kojima tweeted, “There appears to be some misgivings concerning Quiet, but don’t worry. She was created as an antithesis to the overexposed female characters of old fighting games. In the same way, she without words will be teased like this by those around her in the story. But when you understand the secret of her exposure, you will be ashamed of your remarks.

He continued, “The theme of Metal Gear Solid V is ‘Gene’ ⇒ ‘Meme’ ⇒ ‘Scene’ ⇒ ‘Peace’ ⇒ ‘Race.’ It touches upon the difference of language, race, customs, culture, and preference that come from discrimination, hatred, and conflict. The reaction towards Quiet incited by some of the net is exactly what Metal Gear Solid V itself is.”

Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain will launch for PlayStation 4, Xbox One, PlayStation 3, and Xbox 360. A release date has not yet been announced.

Thanks, NeoGAF.

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  • Frankiedf

    It’s a little ironic that people are jumping to decry this character as sexist without first examining her character or context.

    Very superficial of them.

  • Unknown

    she probably has skin camo, and thats where the inspiration for mgs4 camo came from

    • Kobracon

      That is very possible. Although in the trailer, only some black stuff around her eyes changed color.

  • rockman29

    I look forward to seeing Kojima’s argument. I hope it stacks up to the attention it is getting with a thoughtful perspective.

    I’m glad he is being direct and transparent about his work. The dialogue is priceless. This is how controversial content should be handled.

    Atlus did a great job by responding thoughtfully and sincerely after releasing Dragon’s Crown as well.

    Good on both of these teams.

  • Solomon_Kano

    Now that was interesting response. Well played, Kojima.

    • rockman29

      Another nice response, very nice :)

  • Alkhan

    Didn’t he come from the team that worked on those Halo games? The same Halo games that featured this–

    http://downloadwallpaperhd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Halo-4-Game-Cortana-Wallpaper-HD-by-sweshadow90.jpg

    Personally, I think the lewdness in certain games have gone a little overboard (looking at you Criminal Girls & Senran Kagura) but you really can’t call someone out on something you think is wrong when you’re doing the same thing.

    • Seasqwaa

      And honestly, Cortana ALWAYS seemed out of place for me in the games. She’s what, an AI? Yet has a strangely pronounced female form. I’m not against any of this stuff, no, but really… The ‘industry’ has been doing it forever. And Quiet is nowhere near what I’d call “disgusting” or anything.
      It really seems like he has some other reason for calling Kojima out.

      • Kobracon

        The joke has always been that she was prolly made by some horny software engineers in the Halo universe XD

    • Ritsujun

      Cortana and other Geylow characters were f-disgusting.

  • EX+

    How is it disgusting? Anything to bag on Japanese devs huh? SEX SELLS. Look at GTA5. That game’s gonna have more sexual content than the entire MGS series. Lol. No one is bashing that.
    Also, this guy can talk, Halo has some of the most generic designs in any FPS and that’s saying something,

    • http://popculturesocialclub.com/ DreamDrop♥

      Likely full frontal nudity, if previous games are any judge.

    • Kobracon

      Not to mention theres ALWAYS a sexualized female character on every GTA cover. Most of the time a female that has absolutely nothing to do with the story or even has a name. Just random pair of tits and ass.

      • Alkhan

        Exactly, I hear GTA V is even going to have a fully nude bare penis in a scene from the people who played the leaked game @_@ I can’t think of a single ((non-hentai)) game from Japan that has done that.

        • Kobracon

          Well thats kinda unfair to compare coz Japan actually has a LAW against showing penises. EVEN in a 21+ rated hardcore porno.

          • rockman29

            That law is from the post WW2 era I believe.

            • Kobracon

              A law that still carries on to this day, so I’m not sure what your reply is getting at (if it was getting at anything at all or you were merely making an aside)

              • rockman29

                I was just making an aside, I think you are interpreting all my posts as retorts, which is not the case.

                Yes, the same law is in place, you are right.

                • Kobracon

                  Hence the brackets. Sorry. Its early where I live and I guess I’m just getting a little agitated. We have been going back and forth alot in just this one (silly) topic and I think its just wearing me out

      • rockman29

        Can you explain to me why a female in USA wearing short shorts is less in context than a female soldier wearing virtually nothing on the battlefield?

        • Kobracon

          Okay I understand that context is your ‘thing’, so the context of this particular discussion with EX+ (and not you) is about how Sex Sells. The example he gave was GTA and I was merely elaborating on it. Yes the girls are wearing everyday slutty American clothing and bikinis on beaches, but were they necessary on the cover?

          You want context? Most of the girls in the pictures had nothing to do with the story. Nor were they actual characters at all. Kojima says Quiet has a legit reason to dress like that and, by god, I believe the man.

    • Mar Mar

      All female characters from western devs are disgusting. I hardly remember a female character from a western dev that looked inspiring.

      Though modders do it better.

    • Aly Hesham

      pretty much true…GTA V will probably continue the series’ trademark objectification of female characters that serve no purpose other than sex mini-games.

  • Calvin Chikelue

    Calling people “man babies” is not a reasonable start to a serious or worthwhile discussion about art and sexism, but thankfully Kojima responded to everyone deriding him and Quiet thoughtfully. Can’t wait to play the game.

    • rockman29

      A reasonable person. Thank you :)

      • Calvin Chikelue

        I try. I do hate how a flippant Twitter post like Ellis’s can set fire to the internet so quickly. And both sides of the debate always seem to end up just being ugly to each other while the level headed members of the different viewpoints just end up being drowned out.

        • rockman29

          I agree very much. It is very frustrating when people paint their own enemies and only seek out to ridicule the other side. It doesn’t serve anyone well.

          They draw their own “ideal target feminist” who is stupid, cannot think, and is undeniably a hypocrit.

          There is only one problem: this person does not exist.

          People are doing it in this very thread. They are doing it on the comments of the videos about this woman too. The number 2 comment on that video right now is “I wish all the feminists would commit suicide one day, then we could have a national holiday.”

          It’s embarrassing that people wish to resort to insulting others before even understanding them. Anti-discussion??? Seems like it.

          People love to complain about “feminists” and “white knights” despite the fact that the anti-feminist “movement” is more strong than either of these groups on the internet it would seem.

          Anyway as an aside: this woman is very attractive! Incredibly cute.

  • PrinceHeir

    i’m just gonna copy what i said in the open forum and dual shockers

    “so it went from Dragon’s Crown, then Killer is Dead, then Lightning Returns FFXIII, and now MGSV.

    funny how most western journalist and devs are the only one bitching about this.

    guess they can’t see the hypocrisy they’re creating.

    shoot people in the head, tons of bloods gushing all around, ribs and bones getting splattered, cursing words every moment A-Ok!

    but as soon as it’s something to do with sexuality oh boy please this is “disgusting”!!!!

    “protect the children from this filth”

    i’ll never understand this stupidity from some of this people.

    I’m glad Suda51, Kojima, Geroge Kamitani and others are standing up to these kind of bullshit.

    we don’t want some stupid censored games just because some random douchebags made a fuss about it online.

    i also find it funny on how they concentrate too much on Quiet’s wardrobe instead of other things like Paz extracting the bomb from her organs, child soldiers being killed by Snake,

    Limbs cut and being horrified, torturing Quiet and a handicapped Heuy.

    but nope let’s all concentrate on a fictional female’s wardrobe because that’s the “main” problem of the game

    gotta love that double standards!!”

    • http://popculturesocialclub.com/ DreamDrop♥
    • PrinceHeir

      i’m also glad Kojima responded in a well mannered way and not in a man baby way.

      i can pretty much tell what the next target will be.

      Lightning Returns FFXIII, Senran Kagura, Bayonetta 2.

      Lightning Returns FXIII because you can adjust Lightning’s boobs depending on your outfit, Senran Kagura because ripping out clothes, Bayonetta 2; well because the first game didn’t create such controversy, we are gonna put one it just for the clicks!

      Future Games if they decided to localize

      Onechanbara Kagura Z, NIS Games(because duh we need it for clicks!) etc

      there you go! i got your blue prine right in front of you!

      surprisingly Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate just came out few days ago and nothing happens!

      i love the game and everything, but you can’t deny Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate is much more sexualized compared to Quiet.

      Christie and Helena are my favorites

      http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130426085755/deadoralive/images/0/05/DOA5_Christie_Hotties3.jpg

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOZH3GwCEAEUioF.jpg:large

      and there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s all eye candy as far as we know.

      i wouldn’t be surprised if Atelier Rorona Remake get’s some controversy even though the original game didn’t have one.

      • rockman29

        My personal issue with FF XIII, which others have brought up in YT videos and press releases and other things, including the likes of Jim Sterling is this:

        Lightning is supposed to be this incredibly strong character, with strong will and strong everything.

        Despite this, her victory animations are so oversexualized and so incongruous with what her character is supposed to be.

        It is one thing to have a consistent character, like Rikku, who is inwards and outwards presented the same way.

        Even for all of Tifa’s sexiness, she did not act like a supermodel at the end of each battle in FF 7. For all of how beautiful Rinoa is in CG cutscenes, she never reduced herself to anything besides the character she was.

        Square-Enix doesn’t really show investment in their own message, if there is one in the game, if there is any mature message of theme, if it really treats it’s main characters this way.

        Imagine if Cloud did pelvic thrusts or walked around like a male fashion model, or had revealing alternate costumes. It would break the entire feel of the game.

        However, SE feels the need to abuse the fact that Lightning is a female character, they can increase her breast size, the can add juggle physics, and they can turn at least part of the game into a dress-up title and fill it with soft-ero posery at the end of each battle.

        SE, IMO, does not respect it’s work in the way Sakaguchi and co used to treat their work.

        I’m not saying it’s inherently bad. It’s different, but it’s also not the different I want to put money on. Just my 2 cents.

        • Kobracon

          “her victory animations are so oversexualized and so incongruous with what her character is supposed to be.”

          I realize you didn’t say ‘all’, but you didn’t say ‘some’ either. You left out the fact that said oversexualized poses are only for the (completely optional) sexy costumes. There will plenty of costumes like the samurai set which has a completely badass victory animation that totally fits Light’s char.

          I’m all for characterization and have admitted that some of the animations are entirely out of character, but it doesn’t affect her plot-wise and is entirely optional. In your other post, you say a discussion requires both sides, so have you considered the side that genuinely likes Lightning?

          Who want to see more of her and what Lightning Returns gives? While slightly creepy from the creator’s side, its pretty obvious the game is a love letter for his own character.

          • rockman29

            I’m sure there is one, and I don’t pretend to know more than I suggested from my post. And I’m sure you are right it’s only some poses.

            I’m sure there is a group of fans who want specifically that from the game.

            As I mentioned, I’m not part of that group. I’m offering my opinion, that’s all.

            • Kobracon

              Alright. Its just that in one post you talk about oversimplification and no room for discussion. Well I’m just pointing out an oversimplification and want to discuss.

    • rockman29

      This is a severe oversimplification of the scenario at hand, and why most of the time no conversation can be had.

      These people recognize the hypocrisy of USA. They know USA is the largest producer of porn, yet the topic is taboo in mainstream media. Even swearing is completely taboo in mainstream US media. Why? It is cultural.

      Did these individuals decide these cultural norms? No.

      So that means they are not controlling and they are condoning said hypocrisy.

      The people who have come out and criticized Kojima for this piece are not proponents of pornography or hold stock in pornography companies, and then lash out. They are not mental people, as some like to pretend we are simply just so much smarter than everyone else. Too bad.

      The problem with the discussion is examples like this post: who seek to blame others, giving no due credit or benefit of the doubt. This is an example of a post which is truly hypocritical: gives no opportunity for the other half of the discussion to arise, because all it does is seek to ridicule the other party.

      Action and violence has been prevalent in games and movies for decades. This is a norm. It has become the norm and has been distilled and practiced over decades. Art departments and animators practice common ways to remove and depersonalize the entire act of killing. Notice how so many games never include any part of dismemberment or reflection on the killing done.

      We as people did not create this norm. It happens to be something we have inherited from film culture after decades and decades of practice.

      Sexualization in games on the other hand was not as instantly adopted in videogames, and it happens to be a newer phenomenon in videogames. The possibility for arguments to happen is there.

      Denying the chance for a discussion is juvenile. And the people who act like they have a moral authority to tell people what they cannot express an opinion on is absurd and backwards and the true hypocrisy.

      What hypocritical responses like this don’t realize is that these posts are the anti-thesis to a proper discussion, and are holding gaming back by subscribing to this notion that we are just right before we can even have a talk.

      Because you don’t realize one thing: ART IS MEANT FOR DISCUSSION. It is meant to be critiqued. It is meant for people to think about. It is meant for people to respond and react and SAY SOMETHING so we can have a discussion with other viewers and even the creators.

      If you don’t want to participate in the constructive aspect of discussion, don’t participate at all!

      • Kobracon

        Alright, let’s discuss then, Why is it that Eva and Meryl in MGS1 were ignored by people like David Ellis? Why is it that people have suddenly started talking more about this type of character design after the debacle with Dragon’s Crown?

        I feel that its simply the ‘hot topic’ for people these days. You?

        • rockman29

          They haven’t started talking about it more.

          The only difference is that it’s more obvious. Why? Because gaming is now in the spotlight. And: the internet. Was gaming in the spotlight in 2000? Not nearly as much.

          Why is there little objection to Meryl? I had no idea there even was one. Because every interaction with her was in some way significant to the story. Her sexualization was clearly stylized for a reason. There was humour in it as well as relevance to the story, and even the gameplay (you have to find her by looking at her butt/the way she walks at one point). I can find few people who would object to a very interesting and layered male-female relationship in a game such as between Snake and Meryl.

          I’m interested you brought up Meryl, because in many respects she is the anti-thesis to the sexualized supermodel female character from many imported stories: she is a tomboy, who happens to be female, even female tomboys have sexual feelings :)

          Now what about EVA in MGS3? Her sexualization was one of the most significant aspects of her character. EVA used her sexual features and her femininity to win Snake’s trust (which is arguable as to whether she actually succeeds or not). It was actually very significant to the story of the game and the context as well.

          Oddly enough, EVA and Meryl are both significantly less effeminate and sexual than many of the characters we see in games today.

          Similarly, Kojima may be making a similar character in his new game.

          You see, the objection isn’t to sexuality in games most of the time. The objection is to sexuality without context most of the time, or cheap sexuality. It’s not that people argue that it’s inherently wrong, but to some it feels cheap and backwards.

          In what way is the sexualization of Lightning relevant to the game or mechanics of FF XIII? I can’t imagine there is much. That is my personal criticism. I don’t mind if other people like it, I’ve no objection or wish to change it.

          • Kobracon

            Hmm. Very true in terms of context with Meryl and EVA. So then isn’t this David Ellis guy jumping the gun by saying this without any context whatsoever of her character despite a bikini and shes a sniper?

            • rockman29

              He could be, and could not be. We haven’t been given any other context though, so it’s not for us to say yet at all.

              His reaction isn’t so unexpected. And it probably wasn’t so abrasive either.

              It’s OK to react, that’s the main thing I am trying to get across. There seems to be a wave on the internet of being “don’t bitch about anything!” and attacking anyone who wants to react about anything, it’s sad.

              • Kobracon

                React yes, but to call it ‘Disgusting’ and calling them ‘manbabies’? Thats just too harsh a reaction. A normal reaction would be “shouldn’t she wear more clothes?” or “Wow thats a lot of cleavage” (at least thats how I’d react normally)

                The extreme is “OMG Ban this sick filth!” as a reaction.

                If he has the right to react with such harshness, then ppl have the right to react equally as harsh.

          • LordKaiser

            Had you or David Ellis played Metal Gear Solid V? No? Then how you (or David Ellis) know that Quiet’s sexuality don’t have context?

      • Bryce Blalex Douglas

        It’s simply a double standard as in any media. A male character can walk around with no shirt and be the most overly muscled guy but the moment a female character has on a bikini top all hell breaks loose.

        Like a commentor said above, this is the same guy who worked on Halo which featured it’s on sexualized characters.

        I agree people shouldn’t knock on other people’s opinions. But it’s people like this that make the rest of the world think of us as such hypocrites. Westerner devs can show off all the sexualized characters they want to (GTA, Saints Row, God of War etc) but the moment Japanese devs do it it’s a problem. It doesn’t matter how long violence has been “ingrained in our culture” it’s still arguably worse than showing off the female body. People have a problem showing off the female body but find it perfectly acceptable showing off people getting killed in all types of manner. Americans are the only ones who have this higher sense of “morality” than everyone else and if you ask me in my opinion we really shouldn’t. If Japanese developers want to show off the female body they have every right to and definitely shouldn’t be called “disgusting” and “man-babies” because of it. There’s a way to respectfully disagree with someone else’s choice and then there’s David Ellis.

        • rockman29

          So, in wearing no T-shirt, what kind of genitalia or appendages is a man showing off?

          Until Snake walks around with a thong and his balls hanging off basically, I can’t agree with your argument.

          To suggest that Snake or a similar character like Sam Fisher or Jon from Halo is sexualized when they take their shirt off…. and that is the same as females in bikinis and torn lingerie…. I can’t take you seriously if you are suggesting that.

          People just love to have a bias against anything that criticizes things they like. It’s a very bad habit…

          It’s OK to like things and disagree with aspects of it. Let’s get out of the group think already.

          Unfortunately for you, I’ve already addressed the “hypocrisy argument.”

          To which is to say there is almost no hypocrisy at all. And it is a red herring in the discussion to simply ignore any possible reaction about sexualization in games. So…………. I guess you don’t want to talk about it.

          • Bryce Blalex Douglas

            An overly muscled male body can be considered sexual too. It may not seem like it to guys but it has it’s sexual overtones too. And unless I’m mistaken no genitalia is shown in video games. Covered breast are not exposed genitalia. It’s people who can’t accept the human body for what it is who have a problem. The human body is natural, a body with a torn off limb spurting blood out isn’t.

            And I wasn’t suggesting the males are sexualized in Halo. Go read the above commentor that shows the pic of the female from Halo. She’s oversexual too yet gets no flak for it. Let’s not even get on GTA and Saint’s Row or God of War. Yet, we don’t hear anybody questioning why the females in those games need to walk around in “swimsuits or lingerie.”

            I’m not biased, I just don’t think I have a right to make myself this more moral than thou person and I don’t think anyone should. It’s hypocritical, point, period, blank. You say we should respect David Ellis’ opinions, should we also respect his name calling and blatant disrespect too? Because the moment someone devolves into disrespecting someone their argument or opinion becomes moot and pointless.

            • rockman29

              I think you are getting distracted from the main argument.

              You are saying that violence is so unnatural. Why are you going to play MGS V if your moral authority beckons you not to?

              You are using the illegitimacy of violent videogames to support your argument, yet you are talking about a violent videogame that involves guns and shooting and killing human enemies.

              Maybe revise your strategy for this argument…

              Violence, for better or worse, is a norm in entertainment.

              Sexuality in games however seems to be knew. If you are expecting people to not have conflicting ideas about what should happen in this new exploration in videogames, then I guess you will be surprised.

              At least Kojima wishes to have a dialogue, and not simply call others hypocrits.

              • Bryce Blalex Douglas

                I use violence in video games as an argument showing how one is widely accepted while the other is not when arguably violence is worse than sexualizing a female character. It’s a legitimate way to make a claim in a debate. Compare and contrast.

                And if you’re talking about norms, sexuality is as much a norm as violence in all forms of entertainment. Depictions of violence and seualization goes back centuries. Sexualization has been a part of video games since the ability to make more realistic looking character models which has been for over a decade now. The same tropes used in all other forms of media will be used in video games.

                The main argument is not whether it’s okay to use overtly sexual females in video games but whether it’s okay for a dev to belittle and ridicule a dev who does when that same dev is part of a video game franchise that does the same things. And the other argument is whether it’s okay or not for Western devs to always belittle Japanese developers for using these tropes and not belittle other Western developers for doing the same thing.

                • rockman29

                  If this is your angle, that’s very good and I’m glad you made this input.

      • PrinceHeir

        i like how you twist my words to your bullshit degree.

        seriously who the hell i’m against anyone voicing their own take on this?

        did i ever say my opinion is the only thing that matters?

        i only listed things that are indeed happening.

        and why is it that they have to attack the said criticize person whenever

        they’re presenting their argument?

        oh boy “he’s a manchild” “this was draw by a 12 year old boy” “he’s a sexist”

        huh?

        who the fuck says violence became the norm standard?

        this is norm in the US and NOT the World.

        the only reason sexual themes weren’t the norm because they were censored as hell back in the 1800-1900s

        its actually in the beginning of 1900s where people began to rediscover

        these things and began to explore it.

        notice also they are games that have tons of dismemberment like Gears of War, Dead Space, Left 4 Dead, The Last of US and even the old FPS games where bodies explode for every kill.

        and once again i love your bullshit on how i’m not allowing anyone to express

        seriously are you clown? you seem to like to twist my words.

        though it’s a shame you keep making the same shitty jokes though :(

        i’m just gonna quote someone at Dualshockers

        “If video games are ever going to be considered “art” it’s going to need more people like Kojima.

        because he actually has the spine and integrity to stand by his work and not let it be

        molded and figuratively raped by shallow people who are only out to propagate a political agenda.

        Gaming journalism is convinced that the only way for games to evolve into an art is for them to be politically correct, inoffensive, and uncontroversial.

        But that’s the complete opposite of how literally every artistic medium has become what it is today. Artistic and creative mediums evolve because of people with Kojima’s attitude, not people with the press’s attitude.”

        and who’s to say Journalist are the ones to decide what games should be played and how it’s played?

        no one gave them any authority watsoever to decide which games should be allowed and such.

        Gaming journalism is convinced that the only way for games to evolve into an art is for them to be politically correct, inoffensive, and uncontroversial. But that’s the complete opposite of how literally every artistic medium has become what it is today.

        Artistic and creative mediums evolve because of people with Kojima’s attitude, not people with the press’s attitude.

        Critics” have no place in the industry. Certainly not to discuss political issues. All gaming websites should provide are release dates and trailers.

        The same sites would argue vehemently that the violence they so lovingly enjoy doesn’t have the adverse effect of desensitising players.

        You can stab people and rip their heads off in God of War, procure and murder prostitutes in GTA both to high and critical acclaim; and Metal Gear, which created a character like The Boss is

        game designers can design their characters however they want. They shouldn;t be limited by Imperialist Americans whose freedom of expression has been crippled by their own media and are now trying to make sure that others conform to their standards of what’s acceptable.

        and it’s funny on how you have a broom in your avatar.

        maybe you should practice sweeping up your bullshit twisted words and actually think first before trying to say something.

        • rockman29

          Dude the whole world either plays violent videogames or actually uses weapons. Lol.

          Yes, let’s just blame USA for everything… no one else plays violent videogames…

          I’m just hear to clean up the comments from the typical anti-feminist stuff.

    • rockman29

      Also it is very interesting you mention George Kamitani.

      He responded in the RIGHT way.

      “I don’t harbor any ill-will to Jason Schreier for the article he originally posted about the Sorceress or his follow-up. Although it may be negative feedback, I am very thankful for having one of our titles being covered. I do understand what Jason and the rest of the discussions on the internet are saying for the most part. I am not sure if I can implement the critiques from him and others around the internet into my future artistic creations, but I will definitely keep in mind that these opinions are out there and affect people on a personal level. I feel that any form of media content faces death when it doesn’t receive attention at all. So, be it criticism or support, I am truly thankful for the people talking about Dragon’s Crown and the people discovering Vanillaware for the first time.”

      So, was he calling the responses bullshit? No.

      Even Atlus did the same thing. They did the human thing, and the right thing, and treated the responses with the dignity and respect they deserve.

      Thankfully Atlus and Kamitani respect the principle of a two way discussion, and realize how beneficial it is to true understanding.

      Unfortunately, many self proclaimed videogame fans don’t hold the same principles in mind.

      Just remember, it’s posts like your own which are fighting a “white knight battle.” Kamitani and Atlus don’t need your defense, they would prefer that you support an open discussion.

      • Kobracon

        He did kinda send the Kotaku guy a pic with naked dwarfs first though…..

        • rockman29

          Well in that case… that’s kind of hilarious and awesome.

          • Kobracon

            Yeah it was. It even came with a quote saying “Perhaps this is more to your taste”

  • icup ✔️

    343 Industries designer David Ellis… doesn’t ring a bell. is he someone important?

    • http://popculturesocialclub.com/ DreamDrop♥

      Nope.

    • Sevyne

      Someone who seemed to have no problem with the company he works for making Cortana even more bustier, curvier, and somehow more naked looking for Halo 4. Hey, I guess it’s all ok when you are the one doing it though!

  • 罪罰

    >343 Industries
    >Dat Cortana oversexualization in Halo 4

    haeh. haeh.

  • http://popculturesocialclub.com/ DreamDrop♥

    1. Cortana is naked in Halo 4; shut the fuck up David Ellis.
    2. Kojima created The Boss one of the strongest female characters, ever. Everyone go home.

    /discussion

    PS. I’m betting Quiet is a post op transsexual. If she is, then it would all make sense, no?

    • 罪罰

      I’d still hit it :)

    • HeatPhoenix

      I’m pretty sure she’s doing some photosynthesis or something.

      • http://popculturesocialclub.com/ DreamDrop♥

        …wat.

        • Kobracon

          The End? The sniper from MGS3? He could do photosynthesis.

          • JoJo_649

            What if Quiet is The End’s daughter and Sniper Wolf’s mother?

            • Kobracon

              Thats one hell of a Sniper family! Does that mean she gets an animal familiar as well? The End = parrot, Sniper Wolf = Wolves (duh). Quiet = ? Scorpion?

              • JoJo_649

                Maybe a lizard?

            • Solomon_Kano

              That would be so cool.

          • rockman29

            Except the End was actually wearing clothes… the Moss uniform specifically that allowed him (and later Snake) to photosynthesize…

            • Kobracon

              Ok you’re kinda sounding like a broken record. I didn’t even mention anything about skin or clothes in my post. I just said he does photosynthesis.

      • Kobracon

        HAH! That would be awesome if you are right!

  • Eclipse

    Jeez, the criticism I’ve seen for this has been absolutely ridiculous… I may not really care for her design, but I don’t find anything about it disgusting. That David Ellis fellow sounds like he’s suffering from sexual repression…

    kudos to Kojima for handling the situation so well.

    • Zackasaur

      That’s a bit ironic, since Kojima is the one who actually suffers from sexual repression. lol

      It’s a common problem in Japan, hence all the womanizing and perversion in much of their media. Kojima’s no different.

      • Eclipse

        How so? Kojima isn’t the one here freaking out over some fictional character… David Ellis, on the other hand, sounds like he’s still living in the dark ages.

        Eh, that doesn’t make any sense. Do you remember when so many people in the U.S. were freaking out over a certain nipple slip that happened on public TV? That’s what sexual repression is. David Ellis is no different.

  • adhesive

    People like David Ellie are the reason video game journalism is as bad as it is. Thank god Japan gives no shits about what America thinks about character design.

    • Zackasaur

      Ellie isn’t in journalism. He’s a successful game designer.

  • Charlie

    Have an issue? Here’s a tissue.

  • epy

    Really? Really?! I can’t wait for this outrage fad to move on to hyperviolence so I can see everyone critizicing Call of Duty and its clones. Oh wait, that will never happen.

  • $3582264

    It is only disgusting that these character graphics look like generic poser renders. This industry SHOULD be better than this.

  • HeatPhoenix

    calling kojima a “manbaby”. god what an industry.

    • HeatPhoenix

      ya’ll upset you can’t make us feel like kojima does

  • CaptainSatanica

    Its his game kojima can do whatever the hell he wants

  • Emdimian

    It’s probably something like Kaine from Nier who dresses provocatively to feel more femenine cause she was traumatized by the amount of abuse she got when she was a child due to her being a hermaphrodite. They will feel foolish indeed once the reason for her outfit is revealed.

  • Bec66

    While I think Kojima has a good idea in mind (Since the man usually does with his characters) I think the idea might work better if they didn’t make her so darn attractive.

    • Jay

      He didn’t make her so attractive… She’s beautiful in real life.

  • http://lfdn.deviantart.com/ CosmicNova

    As far as a I’m concern, David Ellis; could go screw himself

    • rockman29

      That’s an awfully harsh reaction.

      • Sevyne

        His reaction was awfully harsh too. Calling Kojima a “man baby” was pretty ridiculous.

        • Zackasaur

          But it’s quite true.

          • Sevyne

            Not really.

          • Kobracon

            Not really.

      • http://lfdn.deviantart.com/ CosmicNova

        I speak the truth and nothing but the truth.

  • Yuri4prez

    David Ellis?……..Who?

  • Kobracon

    Really? I mean…really? They’re in a DESERT! Its hot out there! That seems like proper attire imo. Also where was this guy when we could see Meryl work out in panties in MGS1? Or Eva for that matter. If this guy wants to criticize he should at least be consistent.

    Unless hes talkig about the face, then yeah it seems to be near the Uncanny Valley IMO

    Edit: I apparently suck at desert knowledge. Please feel free to ignore that first aside.

    • bloodiOS

      Actually, isn’t exposing yourself during that time of the day in the middle of a desert much more harmful to the body though?

    • rockman29

      I believe the yearly high in Afghanistan is about 60 degrees celsius….

      So technically… that would be the absolute wrong attire! Lol :P

      But anyway it’s a game, it doesn’t need to be so accurate about any of these things, desert, antarctica… what’s the diff.

      • Max

        …No offense to you, but have you ever seen nomads walk naked in the desert? Yes it’s hot, but NOT THAT HOT to start walking naked/semi naked. You just wear light cloths and be done with it. It’s honestly ridicules to think she wears like this because she feels hot or from some psychological trauma. Which I’m not saying it’s not a possible reason (the trauma part) but if its it turns out so, Well shame on Kojima for mixing fan service with senstive life tragedy.

    • rockman29

      For the sake of discussion (because Sal seems to have opted not to put the full images up)

      http://img.psx-sense.nl/images/file/img_5227a79f5ef21.jpg

      http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/6/1/3/6/4/7/eurogamer-cnotrb.jpg/EG11/resize/300x-1/quality/91

      The character is virtually nude actually, I didn’t realize it was so scanty.

      • Kobracon

        Damn thats hot….

        The torn up stockings make me think abuse….hmm…..could that be her thing? Shes sexually abused?

        • rockman29

          That’s one thing I was thinking.

          Of course… sexually abused people don’t wear the same clothes they were abused in :P

          But in an artistic sense, it is viable and interesting.

          • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

            Or maybe she DOES wear them to remind herself of her past and refuses to change clothing until she has faced numerous challenges, and finally feels courageous enough to push forward to live a new life.

            :o

      • http://gematsu.com/ Sal Romano

        Added a link to the post.

      • Gigus

        People should also be wondering why her undies aren’t completely riding up on her butt. In all seriousness though, just give her some pants kojima. Thats all I ask. Once she has pants, she’ll look like the rest of the female MGS characters.

  • Paul Rodriguez

    As I pointed out to him on twitter, he would not have made comments had the recent news of Kojima not been brought and he should not throw stones if he lives in a glass house. I’m so sick of people with their faux anger. Everyone has been jumping on the PC bandwagon lately. The only man baby seems to be him.

  • Willgaea

    Doe’s anyone else get the feeling that he’s whining like a child?

  • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

    She’s really a man.

    • Sevyne
      • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

        Pretty much, lol. That’s honestly the first thing that came to mind though when he said “You will be ashamed”. I bet he’s EXPECTING backlash from the design and it will be a massive troll, typical of Kojima, when they reveal in the story that she used to be a dude.

        Then everybody is going to be like, “YOU’RE OVERSEXUALIZING WOM-Oh… Wait. DAMMIT!” If there’s one thing we all know about Kojima’s games, it’s this… Nothing is EVER what it seems to be.

        • Sevyne

          Ya know what? You really could be right. I mean, Kojima IS a master troll just as you are saying. I wouldn’t at all be surprised, and that’s why he’s the man!

        • Raian Targino

          I would find that to be awesome, a slap in the face of everyone talking shit about whatever her design without even knowing her motives

          • rockman29

            Can you explain to me some motives to wear ripped stockings and a bikini on a modern battiefield?

            If only Snake himself had these options… then we could truly have “Naked Snake.”

            • Kobracon

              Well we’re gonna have to wait for the game for that answer wouldn’t we? I am sure she has a reason.

            • Solomon_Kano

              Hold on, now.

              Like Kobracon said, we’ll have to wait for the game for the actual motive on that part (if it’s addressed at all), but this wouldn’t be the first time a character’s design defied the logic of their situation in the world of MGS.

              Consider that — while not scantily clad — Sniper Wolf in the original MGS was also clothed inappropriately for her setting (whereas the Genome Soldiers were properly clothed). The game explains that Snake’s Sneaking Suit has him covered, but she’s left out in the cold. Literally.

              The rest of the game’s character’s get away with their attire by being indoors (Liquid wearing a trench coat with no shirt…) or by not being affected (Raven’s being impervious to cold due to his background).

              http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/1/12/Sniper_Wolf.jpg

              http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/f/f6/Genome_Soldiers.jpg

              • Max

                I’m sorry but I’m missing your point for the reason she’s exposed.

                • LordKaiser

                  It’s simple, the other characters are not properly dressed for their job either.

                  • Max

                    I meant what’s the wisdom for Wolf to have her zipper opened besides for fan services.

                    • LordKaiser

                      Does she needs a reason to have her zipper lowered?

                    • Max

                      Isn’t a cold weather a reason enough?

                      Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big fan of Sniper Wolf and her story but still her looks is silly.

                • Solomon_Kano

                  Quiet or Sniper Wolf?

                  Because I say up front that we won’t know the reasoning behind Quiet until we play the game, as Kojima himself said.

                  The Sniper Wolf portion is the entirety of the post, if you’re referring to her.

                  • Max

                    I meant Wolf.

                    But still regardless of Kojima’s intent no one can blame people for how you think of her.

                    • Solomon_Kano

                      If you meant Wolf, then I’m not quite sure what the question is. Because the very point of my post was that she’s inappropriately clothed for her setting and the game didn’t give a reason.

          • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

            Never judge a book by its cover. I’m probably looking too much into it, but I really think he’s just trying to get a point across, basically saying that… Despite appearances, everyone has a story underneath. We can’t be so quick to judge characters, claiming they have no depth beyond their breasts, basically.

        • LordKaiser

          It would be Flea from Chrono Trigger all over again… And Bridget from Guilty Gear

  • bloodiOS

    Oh, please, we know it’s all because of the nanomachines.

  • King-Podigy-X

    But yet Square Enix gets a free pass. *SMH*

  • Gigus

    Im not really bothered by her wardrobe that much but it would be nice to see her have a pair of pants on. Most female mgs characters are either fully clothed or have pants. Im pretty sure quiet is tired of getting sand in her undies.

  • Nice Boat

    I guess EVA from MGS3 was invisible because nobody complained about her.

    • Gigus

      She was more clothed compared to quiet. Eva may have had that one bathing suit scene but that wasnt in the entire game.

    • z_merquise

      It’s camouflage, man. She learned it from Naked Snake.

    • $30632660

      Raiden gets a free pass though.

  • Nitraion

    Most of game giving sex scene WTF he is babbling about lol….

  • z_merquise

    Kojima: . . . you will be ashamed of your remarks.

    And I hope it would happen to them people who act high and mighty regarding this.

    Really, this rant felt like people jumping on the bandwagon. What’s worse how these people rant: “there all bunch of manbabies” “there all bunch of 14 year olds”.

    I don’t know if those will stop but yeah, like what Kojima said, I really wanted them to regret those words because it only sound stupid.

  • $30632660

    Lol are they serious? Are people serious with these complaints? You can’t tell me all of these whiners have never heard of Team Ninja. It’s not a japanese developer only thing either, where are the complaints about Bioware? What about CD Projekt? Why did they start complaining now all of a sudden? Is this some feminist propaganda bullshit that people are just giving attention to? I bet this has something to do with that Anita chick.

    • rockman29

      Have you seen the pictures? Serious question.

      • $30632660

        The picture in the article is the only one I’ve seen so far. I still don’t get what’s so offensive that makes all of these whiner come out into the open like gnats.

        • rockman29
          • $30632660

            People are complaining because of a CGI butt. I think the bigger question should be “Why are people surprised?”

            This came from a guy who let you play as a man naked during a stealth mission. Where was all the uproar two generations ago when Raiden was in his birthday suit in MGS2?!

            • rockman29

              Maybe you did not remember, but there was A LOT of conversation about Raiden at that time. There was a lot of conversation about his sexuality and criticizing him long after the game was released.

              It only seems lesser of a discussion today, because 1) it was so long ago and 2) the internet wasn’t what it was today in terms of rapidity.

              Raiden was being rebirthed in that scene into becoming a “Snake by experience.”

              In context, there is a reason he is naked (also, Kojima is a crazy jokester).

              Arsenal Gear was digesting him and reforming him. Did you notice the two levels in which you are naked are called “Jejunum” and “Ileum?” They reflect the latter two thirds of the human small intestine, fyi.

              This particular character in MGS V, there is little context offered as to why she is wearing so little on a battlefield. So a reaction is not unexpected, and it’s not wrong, as some people suggest.

              Yet of course, I’m waiting for Kojima’s response.

              • Gigus

                Sadly Raiden’s sexuality is still in question -__-

          • LunarHaven

            You are such a baby lol Stop trying all you can to make this chick seem bad to the industry. I bet she has mental issues and scars to make her like that. (Kaine from Nier?…?……?)

        • http://gematsu.com/ Sal Romano
  • FitzpatrickPhillips

    Dumbass video game “journalists” i swear.

    • rockman29

  • Fainaru Luna

    Show guys in tights sneaking around with a constant view on their rear and its ok, show a little skin on the female anatomy and everyone loses their mind!

    • rockman29

      I didn’t realize I could see Snake’s ass through ripped lingerie in MGSV…

      I must have missed all those incredibly erotic pictures!

      • Fainaru Luna

        I was kind of referring to the MGS series as a whole…

        • rockman29

          Really…. so other than the MGS2 naked scene with Raiden…. which made plenty of sense because he was literally in the “jejunum” and “ileum” being digested and remade to form “Snake”

          Are there any other scenes where Snake or Raiden are unclothed?

          I don’t remember any. I mean… if you are talking about MGS as a whole series, you must mean some other scene?

          • $30632660

            There is no excuse, Raiden being naked is the same thing as what all of these whiners are complaining about. Double Standard is in full effect.

          • Kobracon

            Now hold on. He didn’t mention anything about being naked. If you play MGS4, Snake’s octocamo suit is VERY tight and u pretty much stare at his very prominent ass throughout the game. I believe he was referring to all the tight sneaking suits that Snake and Raiden wore. Hell you could see Raiden’s rib cage, thats how tight it was.

    • Elvick

      Yes, because tights are the same as this… totes the same.

  • $30632660
  • DesmaX

    dis gon be gud

    Oh well, honestly, I’m only buying this for MGO. Wonder if the character customization will let the players make characters like that.

    • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

      All I know is… No expansion shit this time, lol. I want my female from the BEGINNING, dammit.

      • DesmaX

        Oh yeah, no Konami ID too, please

        • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

          Yeah, that was really confusing, haha. I forgot mine, but fortunately it was after the service went offline =3=

  • karmacoma

    Two things. One, it’s really moronic and hypocritical for the designers of Cortana to be complaining about this. Two, Quiet’s design isn’t sexy but really just lazy. Swim suit and nylons? Really, Kojima?

    Having said all that, the only reason there’s any sort of controversy about this is because Kojima decided to tweet about it. If he hadn’t said anything about it being erotic or for the sake of sexy cosplayers, nobody would care. It’s Metal Gear and the series has been known for outlandish character designs and pervy little details like Eva, Sniper Wolf and the Beauty and the Beast Unit’s costumes, as well as the various random swimsuit posters throughout the variois games, including one in which you can get Snake to jerk off to.
    So I think he only spoke up about it to *cause* a controversy, since he’s trying to make a point about the differences and prejudices in the various cultures. But his point is being lost in translation because “lol Kojima’s a perv.”

    • Solomon_Kano

      You have a point, actually. Her design went completely under the radar until Kojima tweeted about it. Which is crazy when you consider:

      1.) It’s the new Metal Gear, so there was already considerable attention placed on the game.

      and

      2.) Her reveal came during Microsoft’s E3 conference, of all places, so the attention was even greater at that moment.

      Everyone missed her reveal 3 months ago? Surely, someone who works at 343 saw MS’ E3 conference… right?

  • MasterSensei

    His statement about Quiet holds about as much value as my next door neighbour’s… who is this guy?

  • Elvick

    My only complaint is they gave her the most plain jane face possible, so why does she happen to have prefect breasts?

    I give her the body, since you’ve got to be in shape, but breasts are something you either have or not… (or buy).

    We’ll see if the outfit is justified when the game comes out. But we know she was given perfect tits for the sex appeal. There will be no other reason.

    • Zackasaur

      Yeah, but she’s wearing a bizarre strap of cloth bra and a thong. She’s not even prepared to walk around her house comfortably, let alone to go into combat.

      It’s some of the grossest objectification I’ve seen for a while. :/

      • Willgaea

        I seem to remember a Amazon that’s derriere is so ridiculous it eats her thong. Fun game though.

        • Elvick

          He doesn’t like the design of those characters in Dragon’s Crown either.

          • Willgaea

            I’m just saying the amazon is like lvl 100 ridiculous while silent is around lvl 34.

            • Kobracon

              Quiet, you mean

              • Willgaea

                Yeah that lady boy, Whisper.

                • Kobracon

                  You mean Hush

                  • Willgaea

                    Haha, yeah.

    • DichaTesoro

      I actually found her face her best feature. I don’t know why, it’s just different.

    • Aldridge517

      Her face is that of Stefanie Joosten, her voice actor.

      • Elvick

        And?

        • LordKaiser

          C’mon her face is cute.

    • DrForbidden

      Sure, but since video games are fantasy, video game characters tend to have idealised ‘perfect bodies’. This is true of the majority of characters, male or female. How often do you see male leads who have moobs and beer bellies or are scrawny instead of having broad shoulders and nice abs, pecs, and biceps?

  • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

    I’m not even sure where to being. In fact, I don’t even want to make a post in here. I usually steer clear of articles like this.

    (Wall of text incoming.)

    This time… I guess I’ll actually make a post. It’s probably not going to be what you expect. I’m not looking to jump in and suddenly ‘take a side.’

    I suppose explaining what I mean by that is a good place to start.

    You know why I usually avoid posting in articles like this? I’m not trying to single out one such topic. I know that certain topics are what you could call ‘hot topics’ in video games these days.

    Highly ‘sexualized’ characters – Portrayal of women in video games – Extreme criticism of character design – Cultural differences in video game development – Portrayal of men in video games – Violence in video games – Racism in video games – Damsel in Distress discussions – How/why Video games need to ‘grow up.’ etc.

    I could most likely add more to the list. Some will look at this list I typed up off the top of my head and say – Many of those are the same thing!

    I disagree. In fact, I think that’s where we get in trouble with these ‘hot topics.’ It’s when we try to lump them together, create ‘connections’ that don’t really fit, reaching for more to add… etc.

    I think that is when things get messy. So many people like to post about ‘missing the point.’ How do so many people seemingly miss the point? Tough question. I think when you blur the point your making by attaching something else to it. That’s when the discussion starts to go off course.

    The worst part about this? Often times. The discussion is already at this stage before it even begins.

    How can anyone discuss the actual ‘point’ when the discussion starts with so many of them?

    It’s like trying to discuss politics or religion. The discussion is never going to actually end. It starts as some kind of — My views and opinions are right. You are wrong! I will argue with you until you acknowledge that I win and you lose! You got that, you &@&*$ … Yeah. That’s the type of discussion I just want to jump right into. I’m sure many of you avoid those discussions the same way I do.

    This leads into why I avoid articles like this. If you join, you are instantly expected to take a side. You have to join this invisible war of sorts right away.

    “Okay, sir? Do you side with Team A or Team B? You have to pick or we will just put you in Team B? Why? We hate Team B! Those sons a *$$$*** I hope they die! They are wrong and we are right! If you don’t agree with us then you must agree with them!”

    I hate that. I really do. I don’t want to take sides. I want to discuss things rationally. You just can’t do that with some topics. And that is where I get very annoyed. It’s like every month something else in video games is added to this ‘hot topic’ list. It just frustrates me.

    I get really tired of it. So much negativity. When you try to stay out of it and bring something positive to the discussion? You get attacked by both sides! It’s absurd. I’m sorry, but it is. I’m just tired of it. Very tired of it.

    That in itself is proof that lots of people are missing the point. Whatever the point is supposed to be? It gets put on the sideline why everyone attacks, argues, and fights the ‘war.’ Nothing good comes from this.

    This is my major problem with articles like this. You typically have a bunch of people attacking each others opinion. There is a big difference between criticizing someones opinions, feelings, thoughts, and attacking them.

    I have a wide variety of opinions on all kinds of subjects. I like to think I’m quite fair, and willing to reason with others when we don’t instantly agree. I just don’t see a point in jumping into a toxic discussion.

    That’s what this is. A “toxic discussion.” This is a major problem. We can’t actually make progress on these discussions. Not when they start toxic to being with. It makes me frustrated.

    Taking one of those ‘hot topics’ and trying to solve it by using another one. That doesn’t work. It never really will.

    For example – I’ve read some disturbing articles about women being treated unfairly in the video game industry. Some absolutely awful sounding stuff. Is all of is true? I have no idea. I hope not! Should we allow this behavior to continue? Hell no. Is this exclusive to the video game industry? To women? I want to say no, but I don’t have any definitive answers. I think this topic is something worth discussing, something worth trying to improve, trying to make things better.

    A few days later. Someone makes a post about how a female character in a game is being portrayed. The writer doesn’t like it. Okay, fair enough. I get that. Somewhere in the article, they try and connect that topic with the one above. This is where someone needs to just put up a huge red stop sign. that doesn’t happen though. The connection is made, and both topics are ‘hurt’ by it. How so?

    This occurs in many different ways. The most common is that one topic gets all the attention, the other one is pushed aside. I really believe this happened with the first ‘topic.’ (Women being treated unfairly in the video game industry.) Which really makes me sad. It’s like, look I get it. People want to criticize art styles, or how an artist portrays females in a video game. That’s more important than a women getting treated unfairly in this industry? I really don’t think so. and trust me. The way Bayonetta looks in her outfit has no connection with some jerk mistreating women at work. If you want to make that reach and try to connect those? I guess you are free to do so. It’s quite the reach, and like i said. Doing so just changes the discussion into something else entirely. It doesn’t help at all.

    That’s why I don’t like to get involved with articles like this. The same thing will happen with this ‘topic.’ In fact, it already is.

    It’s actually pretty awful for me as a moderator, too.

    if I start trying to post anything, ask for the discussion to stay civil, ask that we not attack one another. Guess what? I better respond like that to every post in here or I’ll be taking sides. I’ll be forced to join team A or team B. “You only edited my comment because you don’t agree, or you know my opinion is right! etc.”

    I’ll be more than the bad guy. I’ll be the power hungry moderator bad guy. People will start to hate me because I edited comments, they will believe I’m just trying to remove any opinion I don’t agree with.

    It’s incredibly unfair. And it does really bother me. All of this does. It bothers me as a gamer, as a moderator, as a person. I know that everything can’t always be unicorns and rainbows, but I turn to video games for my positive. It bothers me when all I find is negative.

    That’s all for now. If you read all of this. Thanks.

    • LordKaiser

      It’s ok if you want to stay neutral and all and heavy discussions like these occur on all message boards that I had been. As long as they attack opinions and not the person then it’s ok. Unlike you I do like these types of topics as I found them to be entertaining but like everything the possibility things become out of hands exists and for this reason you feel like that because you are in a alert state as a moderator. It’s like if you’re a security guard and 2 people are shouting each other in anger on the parking you’re guarding.

      Now the main point that is the common point is this:

      A dev who made a near naked character is criticizing a japanese developer for doing the same thing but not only that but he also disrespect by name calling saying Man babie to Kijima when he says “this industry is full of man babies” and that’s a personal attack.

      • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

        Yeah, I’ve been a member of plenty of message boards and such. I don’t dislike this stuff just because I’m a mod. It’s more than that, like I described above. That’s only a small part of it.

        Sure. They can be entertaining, but I find that the discussion always goes too far. It makes me sad.

        • LordKaiser

          What I’m observing so far is that the people who takes David stance don’t acknowledge that David disrespected Kojima and if they acknowledge they don’t mention it on their posts and it make it look like the people who post on the David stance supports everything that David said including the man baby thing.

          Errors in communication as always.

      • Kobracon

        After some research, David actually has no relation or had any say with Cortana’s design. So…yeah…

        • Yuri4prez

          I don’t see him trying to change it either.

          Probably because he is too busy criticizing one of the greatest developers in video gaming.

          This is ridiculous. This Ellis guy is attention whoring by calling out Kojima for digital boobs…

          There are a lot worse slights against humanity shown in MGSV than a scantily clad character.

    • Bryce Blalex Douglas

      I completely understand where you’re coming from. And I try to stay out of these conversations too because while I do usually have an opinion on the “topic at hand” it always turns into an argument over who’s opinion is right instead of a discussion where both sides come out of it with an understanding of the others views.

      That said, I don’t even think the issue at hand is sexualized female characters but why do so many Western developers like to take any possible chance to take shots at Japanese developers. If it isn’t over their choice of character design, it’s their style of development. If it isn’t that it’s their choice of gameplay. It’s like the moment Western gaming became the more hot commodity then Western devs decided it was okay to make fun of Japanese devs. I’m all for constructive criticism on the state of Japanese gaming. It’s definitely needed. But what I find to usually happen is there’s always a smart ass comment (excuse my language) made like calling Kojima a “manbaby.”

      And my only other gripe with this topic is why don’t other Western devs get the same flak as Japanese devs for using the same tropes. No one has said anything about Halo, GTA, Saints Row, God of War, etc for using overly sexual characters. Yet Japanese devs are the “disgusting” ones.

      • Anime10121

        Agree wholeheartedly! I’ve said the exact same thing b4, how in previous gens Japanese games were “awesome” but as soon as western devs migrated to consoles, EVERYTHING Japanese is just wrong, too sexy, or pedophilliac.

        It’s crazy!

      • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

        Thanks. I think you bring up some good stuff. More ‘hot topics’ for video games I suppose.

        I’m really not sure how to respond to the western developers thing. I’m not sure I have any good answers for it.

        It does seem like there is some kind of odd ‘divide’ of sorts. I have no idea why.

        I’ll say this much. When it comes to so many things these days, not just video games. I think people forget to just have fun. Instead, they look for something negative, they look for some kind of problem. At least, it sure seems that way.

        In this case. I suppose my question to the developer thing… I would ask them all the following – Why can’t we all just be friends and enjoy video games?

        • Bryce Blalex Douglas

          Totally agree. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with friendly competition but sometimes it’s taken too far. They should just have fun and enjoy the games that they and other devs make. I know most gamers sure do.

          • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

            I like to think the majority of developer do just that. We just don’t typically read about that, because that’s not really exciting news or whatever.

        • Kobracon

          Absolutely nothing wrong with that. If all this negativity and scrutinizing over every small thing is what it takes to make games an art form, I don’t think I want games to be an art form then.

          I want games to be games. Things you go to when you’re sad. Games you play to feel awesome, to feel excitement, to feel happy, to…..to feel. If games start becoming as pretentious as art, then what do we have left to enjoy?

          All I have to say on the matter is sex sells. Deal with it.

          ……man I’m not gonna be liked as a Game Designer in the near future am I? XD

          • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

            I think you will be just fine. =)

            I also like to to play games to give me a boost. I said it above, video games are my positive force in life. They have been for years.

    • PrinceHeir

      you know what? i too also decided not to take my stance here.

      because i realize it will just lead to an endless argument from both sides.

      i give example, other person give example, then gives another then it goes on and on and on.

      plus in the end you’ll just end up attacking each other.

      even though it hard to keep your thoughts to yourself when you really want to say something.

      i’ll try my best!

      and i know this won’t be the last, oh there’s alot of games that are coming out like

      Lightning Returns FFXIII, Senran Kagura, Bayonetta 2. Onechanbara Kagura Z, NIS Games and many more.

      • Max

        Well honestly neither this means these games are fine with the way they portray women either. I personally always had an issue with Bayo’s look. Even thou the game’s rock. And Quiet just reached a whole new low level.

        • LordKaiser

          The thing is that games are here to escape reality not to represent it fully. Why games has to represent what women are in real life?

          • Max

            Well why does it have to go that far? Not everyone like to go that far. Just look at the reaction Quiet got.

            • shogunknight

              That is why devs are different, not all of them must have the same minds. One mans food is another mans poison. If you have an issue with Bayonetta and Quiet, its not a problem. Its your valid opinion and its worth inquiring as to why they are potrayed like that. I am very confident as far as this is from people like kojima, kamitani, and other eastern dev, theres definitely an answer to their females or characters potrayed anyway (kojimas answer for example) Quick note:

              “Cultural norms between Japan and the West vary greatly at times in terms of sexuality, so what could seem fairly tame in one region, may be construed as completely inappropriate in others.”

              “One really important thing that a lot of people may not know about us is that we first have to make sure that the entire company is comfortable with working with a particular title before we decide to license it,” he continues, echoing Avery’s description of how Xseed chooses what titles to bring to the West. “There have been a few that have been proposed, but in the end if we weren’t comfortable working on them internally, we didn’t end up working on it. If it passes the test with us internally, there hasn’t been a problem with it being accepted by distribution partners or the platform companies.”

              Ryan Phillips, NIS America

              This is an example of some of the things gaming companies do which we dont even know of happening in the gaming industries before the games are even released to the public, Quiet hasnt even gotten as much reaction as George Kamitanis sorceress in Dragons Crown. Its probably because Kojima is more popular thats why it seems like a bigger issue (which shouldnt be),

              “There’s a bit of a problem, though, and it’s to do with negative perception from those who aren’t already immersed and invested in the culture of Japanese media — not just games, but also anime and manga, too. To a certain degree it could be argued that Japanese media brings this problem on itself by being unapologetically insular and focused on catering to specific niches — but at the same time, there’s a lot of people out there who don’t look at the whole picture and instead settle for a kneejerk reaction based on limited evidence.”

              Ryan Phillips, NIS America

              IMO, I think thats whats the major problem we are having here. They dont just make characters out of their imaginations, they always have a purpose. Unfortunately people dont tend to understand that and its fine, not everyone has to like, love or understand it. But as soon as people dont agree to understand, then this argument would go on and then go baseless

              • Max

                I’m sorry but your post is a bit too long for such a simple matter. It’s not about my opinion, it’s about common sense. People were cloths to cover themselves and enhance their looks even more.

                I’m not going to talk about the real world now I’m talking about what should a video game, that is shipped to people of many cultures, should find a middle ground. And having a naked girl does not really wins the hearts of everyone.You mentioned something about difference between cultures…well yes, but even in these differences..there is a common sense we all agree on like respecting each other, wearing decent cloths in front of each other, smiling to each other and so on. When someone wears a ripped jeans and a t-shirt…I don’t care if he is a respected doctor, he looks either broke or too lazy to dress properly. And I can’t be blamed for my thoughts.

                • Kobracon

                  No one is blaming you for your thoughts. We are all allowed to have opinions. But to live with our opinions is how we proceed. If the way the doctor dresses offends you despite how good a doctor he might be, then you are free to move on and find a better doctor.

                  People are individuals. Uniques even. It takes all kinds to make the world. Who knows, there might well be a woman out there who thinks chainmail bikinis make sense.

                • DrForbidden

                  I’m going to point out respectfully that we are all judged and blamed for our thoughts and opinions. That’s life. While I’m not a big fan of the design, I have several disagreements with your opinion.

                  1). “People were cloths to cover themselves and enhance their looks even more.”

                  Arguably, her designers may think that what Quiet wears enhances her looks even more. Also, she’s not naked, if that’s the point you were making. I’ve seen naked, and that ain’t it.

                  2). You mentioned that the designers shouldn’t have gone that far. Why not? How do you define far? By whose standards? Where does the middle ground even lie?

                • LordKaiser

                  What he needs to make a a middle ground and appeal to a wider audience than us? We are his audience and we will be here to pick the game up. I’m talking about the Metal Gear audience, the audience who supported this style for years and will continue to do so.

                  This game is not made to disrespect, people are just jumping the gun before Kojima reveals more about the story of the game at least.

                  Kojima games won’t please everybody and IMO it don’t need too.

                  • Max

                    Yes, but we, the fans, don’t share the same culture or costumes. For example it might be fine seeing a half naked women like Quite but not in other parts of the world. Not to mention its totally degrading to women regardless of what culture we come from.

                    Some female fans mights be fine with it, but some aren’t. There is this video in youtube about a Harley Quinn’s fan who in comic-con expressed her dislike to the new version of her favorite character.

                    • LordKaiser

                      And because of that now the games has to be globalized to appeal everyone…

                      I don’t think so because if they try that they will piss someone. they can’t please everyone and it’s a fact of companies who make video-games.

                      Also degrading women? How a virtual character causes such degradation? I can’t understand this point of view.

                      DC Comics ruined EVERY character and not just that one cuz it’s female. Had you seen what they did to Lobo?

                    • Max

                      Well than it’s pointless to to argue because you see things from another view than mine.Especially if you can’t see how a forum of media can degrade women.

                      I mean I love Dead or Alive for example, but I’ll be a liar if I said it does not show women as a sexual object.

                      Well, that’s my point, they changed them and some liked it and others didn’t, especially the female characters. They almost sexlized every single female character.

                    • LordKaiser

                      How can you be so sure that it does?

                      Sexual object? Of course they’re beacause they’re just polygons and not real women with feelings, emotions or the ability to think.

                      Why is wrong to have sexualized characters?

                      How does that affect a woman in real life?

                    • Max

                      Well, if you don’t see how than I don’t know how to really tell you.

                    • LordKaiser

                      Ah well that’s too bad. I wanted to know why some people wants to take sexual characters out of my games that are rated M.

                      I can understand why religious people want to do that but feminists… No idea.

                    • Max

                      Just because it’s rated M…it doesn’t mean whatever it present is fine.

                      Well that’s why I said if you can’t see why than it’s pointless.

                    • Max

                      Also, honestly, no, it’s not about “oh it’s hard to please everyone” you can please everyone sometimes if you do it right. Look at Capcom for example with RE6, they could have done the project right but they had to add new characters so that new players can relate with (just as they did with Nero in DMC4, but I thought it was fine personally, if only they made a final DMC5 to give a proper closer to the series) instead of bringing old characters like Jill, Barry and Rebecca and give them a proper closer. And also,changed the game style so that Call of Duty players can enjoy it as well…they wanted a FPS fans to enjoy a survival horror game…and that’s when they screwed up, they where too greedy that they wanted profits like the ones from Call of Duty…a game that I’m a fan of but in the end it made one of the biggest profits in game’s history because it’s one of the easiest games ever…just point and shoot. Of course everyone will love it and of course it’ll be a big hit because it’s sold for 60 bucks not to mention the DLCs.

                    • LordKaiser

                      RE6 IMO failed miserably in appealing everyone. RE is nothing but a shadow of it’s former glory.

                    • Max

                      …well, didn’t I just said that? That’s basically what I said, RE6 failed because Capcom tried to APPEAL everyone. Especially the COD fans. That was their mistake.

                    • LordKaiser

                      Well then, that means that the new Metal Gear don’t have to appeal to everyone either

                    • Max

                      No, what Capcom did was a big drastic change for the core of the series both story and gameplay (and graphics quality) and if it was as mpressive as RE4 than sure people would loved it but it was worse.

                      What Kojima is doing with matters like the Quite issue will not change anything of the game’s core story/gameplay if they dress her properly. Because back to the main point, this game is played by many people of many backgrounds, some don’t feel it’s proper to have a character that keep showing off her butt or breasts to the TV screen, not to mention it’s distasteful for women. And so, YOU CAN APPEAL everyone on one issue. It’s as simple as that.

                      I like DOA for example, but I will admit it is distasteful to women especially and men generailly.

            • Kobracon

              A reaction that came only after it was brought to light. I still haven’t gotten a good answer as to why no one reacted when she was in the trailer months ago

              • Max

                Honestly it bothered ever since the trailer.

          • Max

            And it’s not about representing women in real life it’s about treating them with respect. I mean it’s cool to have witches like Harmony from Harry Potter, but why push too far for it to be sexy like Bayo? That’s my point.

            • LordKaiser

              Because it’s a character that only exists as data that it’s not real.

              • Max

                Well yeah but there is something called moral sense and respect the audience.

                • Budgiecat

                  I think with MGS, people are just worried it’ll conflict with the direction of the story. If it was something like Lollipop Chainsaw, Dead or Alive or Oneechanbara Bikini Zombie Slayers, people wouldn’t care because they expect it. Even if it was still in as it is now, like I said, if it weren’t for Kojima blabbering about it, I also doubt anyone would have even brought it up (oh wow a woman in a bikini in a video game–never saw that before); it’s just that he unashamedly confessed he wants to do it for ‘shallow’ reasons in his tweet, rather than explain that theirs a story imperative reason for her outfit. I think that’s what worried some people and made the developer ‘disgusted’.
                  It’s like the addition of the FF XIV cat outfit for Lighting…and even the Cloud outfit. Conflicts with her character personality. They are out of place and scream desperation. Also shoving her in FF XIV when she has no business being in that game…

                  the only difference here is unlike Lightning, we don’t know Quiet yet as a character, so for now we have to take Kojima’s word for it on his response here, until we actually play the game, and see for ourselves if there is really a deeper meaning to all of it or if Kojima is just full of crap and wanted shameless fanservice for the sake of drawing attention.

                • LordKaiser

                  The audience is the people ho liked this stuff from the beginning and he’s not disrespecting any audience because we will get what we want to get.

                  Define this moral sense. You mean like the churches around the world wanted to impose to us during all these years? or what do you mean? i think everyone I know has a different moral compass.

            • Kobracon

              Other than Bayo’s looks, how does she not portray woman respectfully? She’s strong, flaunts her beauty, independant and doesn’t have to rely on men to do anything.

              • Budgiecat

                you almost posted ‘that’ meme with the way you worded that..

                • Kobracon

                  I…think I’m glad I don’t know what meme you are referring to.

          • Budgiecat

            It doesn’t have to, but with characters like whats her face in Uncharted, it’s nice to from time to time.

            I think people just got a lil annoyed at Kojima because of his blatant honesty in his tweet on how he just wants to promote teh sexiness. Some people don’t care about that stuff, but would rather not hear people try hard to promote it. We know sex sells, we don’t need you to be obvious about it. No one was screaming when Lollipop Chainsaw came out or not even that much with Killer is Dead. Only Fox News (derp O’Reilly) tried to make a deal once about the Mass Effect romance bed scenes (which were lame anyway).

            I bet if Kojima never said anything, nobody would give shit. He likes to troll a bit it seems..

            • Kobracon

              God I believe that was his plan all along. Trying to get more attention like how Dragon’s Crown got attention. Kojima you brilliant bastard!

      • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

        It’s human nature to get emotional. I understand that. When that emotion combines with an opinion, you typically get heated discussions.

        The tough part is being able to move on from those discussions. When they get so heated, the result is never very good. =/

      • Budgiecat

        Yes but still we do not have Shenmue III, potentially the best game ever (because Shemue II is the best game ever)

    • shogunknight

      Good lord your post is long…..(cracks fingers and readys eyes) here we go!
      Edit: Good Point

      • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

        Sorry it was so long. I sorta rambled on, but I wasn’t sure how to express all of those random thoughts while compressing the text. This entire thing also kinda bummed me out.

        Sorry if my comment seemed to be too negative. I probably should have not posted it.

        • shogunknight

          Nah man, its ok. Ive always wondered how this issue got out of hand. Quite unfortunate how topics like these just got viral in virtually any game released since it started. Its not supposed to be a bad issue to think about but its really getting out of hand

          • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

            Thanks.

    • LastBoss

      @Zero I actually will choose Kojimas side, simply cause that man injects a TON of character into his boss fights, and overall settings. I personally think Kojima still looks at games, like all his influences from Ridley Scott & John Carpenter days. I think Quiet looks like a dope ass character that belongs in D.O.A. For this Ellis guy to say anything about a proven producers characters, before trial, and not be apart of the project, is wrong.

    • Solomon_Kano

      Precisely why I tend not to join discussions like these or, if I do, I try to respond in as “neutral” a way as possible.

      • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

        It seems like we see these discussions in a similar light. Nice to know I’m not alone. ^^

    • Hinataharem

      So much truth here

      • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

        Thanks for taking the time to read all of it. =)

    • Budgiecat

      I dont even know what you just said. I want ice cream.

      • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

        I like ice cream. =)

    • rockman29

      Zero, no offense, did you have a point?

      I am asking you simply for the sake of I feel like you should be challenged to make a more thoughtful post on the subject matter, because you seem like a smart kid, but you seem to not even be giving yourself credit to even make up your own mind? That is not good man.

      Discussion is hard? Confronting issues is a difficult thing to do? Is that your point?

      Is that a defense for some of the attitudes in this comments thread?

      To discuss a controversial issue, we should have the absolute expectation that at the very least people should RESPECT each other. But this is not happening.

      As you can plainly see, the most disingenuous of the bunch commenting on this articles are the ones who want to take away the voices of any possible criticism.

      Not all of us were doing this.

      There are people clearly against any discussion whatsoever on the matter.

      The few rest of the people in this thread thankfully decided to respect others opinions, not call people prudes, or hypocrits, or other things. People keep suggesting there is some sort of massive feminist anti-sexuality movement originating from the USA when the reality is so, so different. It’s just easier to paint the other side, no matter how moderate, as extremists.

      It’s the same practice US politicians do to each other, It’s despicable.

      As always, unfortunately common sense isn’t so common.

      As a moderator of Gematsu, I implore you to take a keener eye to the comments here and see the accusatory nature of many of the posts.

      • Kobracon

        His post was merely explaining why he doesn’t want to get involved in topics like this, because it turns ugly no matter what. Even if it weren’t a feminist issue, it would some other hot topic thats currently popular. He’s just tired of all this. Especially in an internet forum where tones cannot be heard, a conclusion can never come because each side will constantly misinterpret the other.

        • rockman29

          You have identified the problem, yet without directly addressing it.

          This is why I’m asking Zero, as the moderator, and even yourself, to take it a step further.

          A hot button issue should be discussed with fire and passion, but with respect for one another.

          There is a vocal, absurd population on the internet who wants to simply belittle the discussion, and this comments thread is a good example of it.

          Another poster (SolarisSpell) put out his thoughts honestly and concisely, even in spite of knowing many would disagree with him. Comments like that are an example of how people should approach an issue with heavy disagreement. I can’t say that other posters in this comments section come with the same sincerity to the discussion.

          • Kobracon

            I read your other post to DrForbidden as well and I agree with alot of it about internet discussions. But most of the more rude or insulting posts are simply from people who posted angry. Not alot of people can control their emotions while in a heated debate.

            Personally, thats a main reason I don’t usually like to discuss in hot topics, because I am a passionate man, and prone to let my emotions take over. Hideo Kojima is one of my idols of Game Designers and it is simply impossible for me to talk about this topic without bias.

            I’m not gonna lie, I immediately thought “What an idiot” the second I read what David said about Quiet. That was my immediate thought. I’m pretty sure I wasn’t the only one who thought that, but they instead decided to post it as well.

            Respect can certainly come when a person is cool and calm while discussing, but alas, emotions can be overpowering for alot of posters on the internet and lead to flame wars.

            I don’t know how to address this issue and thus try to be as neutral as possible in posts (keyword being ‘try’) about hot topics.

      • http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

        Edit – Just saw the comment @Kobracon:disqus made. He did a fine job in summarizing most of my thoughts in my long post. Thanks!

        I’m still going to reply to you @rockman29:disqus

        I do care about your response. The following is what I was typing up originally –

        Thanks for the reply. To answer the first question you asked. Did I have a point? I know it can be tough to find one singular major point in what I typed. I said in a post below, it was sorta a collection of thoughts. I’ll be the first to admit that I tend to ramble on when I post those types of replies.

        Quite a bit of that is stuff that I think about often. Especially when I read articles like this one.

        I want to quote this next part so I can easily discuss it –

        “I am asking you simply for the sake of I feel like you should be challenged to make a more thoughtful post on the subject matter, because you seem like a smart kid, but you seem to not even be giving yourself credit to even make up your own mind? That is not good man.”

        First, thanks for the complement. I appreciate it. I actually agree with you. I should make a post on the subject matter. I always think I should, especially with the ‘hot topics.’

        When some of these ‘hot topics’ come up. I do my own research, I prepare. I don’t typically like to post a knee-jerk like reaction to touchy subjects.

        Once I feel like I know the entire story. I’m ready to post my opinion.

        So, what is the difference with articles like this? I used the word ‘toxic’ in my above post. I do my best to stay away from articles like that. From my experiences in the past, no matter what I post, the result is always the same.

        My true feelings, my opinion, it gets ignored or picked apart every time. Words get twisted, opinions attacked, etc. Before you know it, I find myself just as angry and furious as everyone else.

        When that happens so many times. You ask yourself one question. Why should I even bother?

        I’m not trying to defend some of the attitudes in this comment thread. I agree that respect should be a big part of any discussion. You won’t typically find it in topics like this. It’s a shame, but also the truth. This applies to the entire internet. I bet other websites have reported this very news, and the replies are about the same.

        I’m not saying that everyone is in attack mode in topics like this. The majority of people posting tend to be.

        Should I be upset by that? Think about it. The topic itself is already pretty heated, long before the comments even begin. I can’t expect ‘drama’ to be discussed with cooler heads by everyone, especially not on the internet.

        That’s not an excuse. It’s an observation from reading replies to topics like this over and over.

        Last but not least. I want to quickly touch on the moderator part of this. I know this reply has already gotten a tad too lengthy.

        I do read all the comments. I don’t always agree with them, some of them I really disagree with, some have me shaking my head in disbelief.

        The things I have to remember is this. My job is not to control what others think. The last thing I ever want to do is censor someone’s opinion. That would be unfair and abusive.

        I’m curious? Just what do you think I should do? I’m not trying to be an ass here, I honestly appreciate the feedback.

        • rockman29

          Reasonable people should remember it’s idealists who got us progress in so many things. They forced us to discuss. They forced us to have a conversation.

          It’s OK to have a hypothetical conversation. It’s OK to react immediately, and rationally. It’s OK!

          It’s good to be idealist. It’s good to be young, and it’s good to be passionate.

          Don’t forget these things or you will become old! :)

          Don’t be afraid to be a little idealist. If young people stop being idealists, the world would lose all it’s passion!

          I’m not telling you to edit the conversation. I’m telling you to be a part of it man :)

          It’s OK to get your hands dirty. It’s OK to be rash sometimes and throw your opinions into the air, to be wrong, to get things mixed up.

          Making those kind of errors and mistakes is part of the fun of life, we learn the most from them, and the experience that the participation involves.

          Those of us who do this often, and I do this with my friends and family and in other more official capacities, by offering our opinions and letting ourselves get criticized, we learn a lot! It’s a great way to learn from one’s mistakes, but also as you say even more important to learn how to go into a discussion with many disagreements and still be respectful.

          We have to relearn some things. It is good to get into arguments and be respectful. It is the best way to learn from others experiences and learn their perspectives. We should not seek to be so non-confrontational! It’s OK to criticize and ask questions, that is how we learn!

          It is that last part that I don’t believe is something that happened here. Many people have ridiculed one side of the argument.

          People complain “oh so many feminists” while most people who post on comment forums are people who are extremists of the other disposition. That is what I want you to notice, I’m not asking you to do anything other than observe :)

        • Kobracon

          (^_^)b

      • DrForbidden

        Respectfully, I also wish to point out that you’ve practically called other posters hypocrites and been dismissive of their arguments for not being up to your level of acceptance, calling them disingenuous. Whether an opinion is sincerely held and sincerely argued is a separate issue from whether it is logical to you.

        While you are certainly sane and sober for the most part, that is something you may want to work with before you criticise Zero for attempting to stay neutral.

        Thank you.

        • rockman29

          Well thank you for your input and I will offer you simply this: I am always trying to put the utmost sincerity in my posts when it comes to issues like this.

          Secondly, I’m not criticizing Zero.

          I’m challenging him to do more. He and Kobracon appear to have identified the problem, which is not the discussion itself (it rarely ever is).

          It is the attitudes people bring to the discussion.

          There is a fear I can tell from Zero to enter this discussion because of it.

          This is why I am frustrated. Not at any of you in particular, not at Zero, not at Gematsu.

          I am frustrated at the hostile attitude of people towards this issue, because it stops people such as Zero from even wanting to add input for fear of being ridiculed or attacked.

          There is a wave of prejudice coming from one side of the argument, that drowns any other voice (such as SolarisSpell’s honest appraisal). There is anger and prejudice which is so painfully obvious in this arena of “discussion” about sexuality and videogames. And it seeks to undermine the very foundation of discussion.

          And hence people such as Zero chooses not to even enter it. And this is sad, because anyone should be able to enter the discussion without fear of being paralyzed by simply presenting their opinion.

          There is a lack of respect in the online gaming community to have a genuine discussion about this issue, and truly if anything holds back the maturity of our medium, it is the incapacity to even discuss any controversial issue.

          This is the shame that the immature online games media must deal with.

          • DrForbidden

            I thank you or your honesty and your clarification. I apologise if I mistook your intent.

            While I certainly agree that there is hostility and prejudice on these topics, I also think the hostility and prejudice is not completely one-sided. Witness David Ellie’s attitude and arrogance, which sparked the whole thing off. I think that being open to respectful discussion also means being open and accepting towards the positions of people who like to have a bit of titillation in their fantasy entertainment without being labeled as misogynists and pimps. In that sense, the counter-productive anger and immaturity is not monopolised by only one faction, though that particular faction may be louder and more obnoxious most of the time.

            Note that I’m not condoning actual abusive behaviour against actual women; that shit needs to stop. I just feel that the concept of having gorgeous, hot fictional characters in fantasy entertainment is increasingly taken out of context and elevated to serve the propagandic rage of some parties. And yes, despite your attempts to explain the situation, I do believe there is a significant imbalance in the way sex and violence are treated in American media which cannot easily be explained away or resolved, leading to prominent hypocrisy in the way the subject matters are often treated. Americans have had good girl pinup art, erotica, and porn (soft to hard) as long as they’ve had violent films, if not longer. I don’t believe the issue can simply be chalked up to time and desensitization.

            But yeah, I totally see your point about the bullying-as-oppression-tactics, regardless of which camp it comes from. That shit does not serve discussion in any way.

  • McPoo

    I wonder how integral to her character it will be. I can either seeing it being totally unnecessary, or relevant to her character but Kojima handles it so cack handedly that it doesn’t come across well.

  • Jay

    Game. Set. Match… Kojima.

  • Bobby Jennings

    I don’t get why people are complaining about her..

    • Yuri4prez

      Cause here in America, being a video game character going to battle in a thong is WAAAAY more offensive and morally wrong than cutting off heads, killing prostitutes, robbing banks, mowing down children, torture, knifing testies, kill streaks, gang wars, mafia hits, beating others to death with baseball bats, HEADSHOT!!, throat slitting, Chainsaw melee, killing cops, and any other over the top mindless violence in video games that all us freedom loving Americans enjoy.

      Why do think COD is SOOOO popular in the states? It gives you all that mindless murder spree (totally ok with parents) goodness, and most importantly, it aint got no titties!

      What a sad waste of time on this Ellis guys part. Developers make terrible critics. He is going to be so embarrassed when he actually plays MGSV and discovers Quiet found a cold naked child on the streets, and gave up her clothes and her purse so the kid could stay warm and get a happy meal….

      Shame on him! Shame on you all! jk

      • Budgiecat

        I dont recall any women in Call of Duty now that I think of it…

        Now Witcher….girls are fully nude. that you have sex with. Dragon Age,,,, in their underwear and you can request prostitutes..beastiality. Mass Effect….full on Alien sex…God of War….Aphrodite’s concubines topless and off screen sex via QTE…GTA and Saboteur….topless go go dancers…..BMX XXX for Nintendo GC….topless female BMX riders..Saints Row…fully naked man characters running around with purple dildo weapons..

        Now in Japan, besides Killer is Dead, you have Muscle March…..buff roided dudes in thongs running through brick walls along side polar bears…who also might be in thongs..

        But there’s also a game where you work for a cat magazine publisher who’s boss is talking cat

        • Kobracon

          And then theres Cho Aniki….

    • McPoo

      Sometimes Bobby, certain subject matters are just not right to explore. Who decides these subjects though is a higher being than both you and I.

      • http://gematsu.com/ Sal Romano

        I told you last time, stop trolling Bobby’s posts. It’s annoying.

        • McPoo

          I don’t recall you mentioning it.

          If Bobby, doesn’t like it though, I’m happy to stop

  • shogunknight

    Well, i guess the guy got what he wanted. I didnt know of his existence or even that he was the designer of cortana until he put himself under crosshairs.

  • PhoenixAutomatic~♪(๑ᴖ◡ᴖ๑)♪~

    See, David I know you missed the blue in chicks but try to accept reality PLEASE!

  • xX-PuritySoul-Xx

    i really have a massive girl crush for her its the face its stunning

  • xX-PuritySoul-Xx

    hey im new here and can’t figure out how to change my avatar its driving me mental

  • Anime10121

    Some of these idiots need to accept the fact that the whole world does not have to share its values and/or prudish ways of thought/artistic expression.

    As I said earlier, this coming from a man who works for a studio that produced the most sexy looking Cortana of the Haloverse. Also the same studio thought it cool to unveil Halo 5 by debuting Master Chief in an Organization XIII coat.

  • SolarisSpell

    I think there are a couple of problems here.

    Kojima is great, its easy to see that. But it becomes a problem when you are expected to be graet, and are allowed anything for that premise. Letting a man do anything is a problem as it is through a team that the best of every individual can create a wonderful result.

    This Quiet design is such a one-man-rules problem. It is clear that the real reason for her design is sex (and cosplay and figurines apparently…). But sometimes, such sexualization its so much out of place in the character design that you start to wonder how it is allowed.

    I usually try to be open minded regarding opinions and ideas, but this “when you understand her secret…” lost me. There is not a reason why she is like that. Because it is wanted that she is like that, a story is created to justify that. Of course you can create anything you like and justify anything. I’m sure you could create a tragic story to justify why a character who is a mercenary likes to scream while poking his nose. And you would feel sorrow for him…

    And besides all this, there is another thing I think it might be a problem. I wonder, is there anyone who wanted to not play the game, but after seeing Quiet design decided to actually buy the game? Because I was going to play this game, but after seeing Quiet design I know I won’t buy it. It’s not a protest, nor a boycot nor anything like that. I just feel unconfortable and know I won’t enjoy, so I don’t play it. Probably I’m not so special as to be the only one…

    • Jay

      Uncomfortable because she’s wearing a bikini in a video game? I wonder how you’d react if you ever went to a beach… You should probably avoid Miami too, down here we have topless beaches.

      There’s a reason these games are rated M for mature. Don’t blame game designers for your lack of exposure to real life or personal awkward feelings towards the female form.

      • SolarisSpell

        It may be hard to explain, but it has nothing to do with exposure, but with the atmosphere, with feeling yourself inmerse within the game.

        There is a time for exposure, or for gore, for nudity, for comedy, for everything… But when it feels out of place it breaks my mood and that is something I value a lot in videogames. I wouldn’t like some Dead Space creatures in Limbo for example.
        I understand that being rated M should mean the game depicts mature themes, but sometimes it feels that being rated M is enough to justify anything.

        My previous question was genuine. Does this kind of character design helps a game to increase its sales over people who was not going to buy the game in the first place?
        (I didn’t need those designs in Soul Calibur IV, for example)

        • Jay

          Are you new to MGS? Because this is nothing new for MGS… If you’re choosing not to buy an entire game based on one character’s outfit (that isn’t out of the norm for Kojima) then it seems like you fell into the media trap of blowing things out of proportion.

          She’s not even a main character… “Solid Snake” snuck around in a skin-tight suit for 90% of MGS4, but I guess when it’s men it’s okay. I think this storm has more to do with insecurities than any design in the game.

          • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

            I know, right? People don’t have a problem with Raiden grabbing his junk in MGS2, but suddenly we see some “exposure” of a female and the white knights come barreling out of the woodworks carrying torches and pitchforks, seeking blood. Yay for double standards!

            • Budgiecat

              Everybody grabs their junk from time to time…you especially…

              • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

                You were watching?

                • DrForbidden

                  Budgiecat never sleeps and watches everyone. It’s best not to think about it…

                  • shogunknight

                    ……..

          • rockman29

            You honestly feel that Solid Snake in any game was as sexually suggestive as this character?

            Last time I checked, Solid Snake’s Octacamo suit covered his whole body other than his head…

            People got to stop being so dishonest. Just because you want to defend one side of the argument, doesn’t mean you have to make disingenuous comparisons. There is no way Solid Snake’s Octacamo was in the remotest sense sexually suggestive.

            • DrForbidden

              See, the point you raised, while logical from your POV, is the problem. ‘Sexually suggestive’ can actually vary from person-to-person. If Snakes skin-tight suit is not sexually suggestive, then does that mean that no skintight bodysuit on a female character can be suggestive unless there is camel toe or nipple poking through? There are differing levels of acceptance on this, and this isn’t a clear-cut objective issue; it’s partially subjective. I know I got more than an eyeful of Snake’s rock-hard butt when I had him crawling around on the ground.

              • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

                >I know I got more than an eyeful of Snake’s rock-hard butt when I had him crawling around on the ground.

                First time I’ve ever actually used “dat ass” to describe a male before, haha. I didn’t have a problem with it exactly, I just found it to be funny if anything.

            • Kobracon

              Sometimes covering everything can be more exposing than showing skin when said cover is SO tight taht there is nothing left to the imagination. Can you imagine Snake’s Octocamo suit on a woman? It would’ve caused a far bigger stir than Quiet.

        • LordKaiser

          How you know it’s out of place?

        • DrForbidden

          I certainly respect your opinion and your voicing it out. Personally, I find Quiet’s design to be ‘trashy’ or ‘slutty’ rather than ‘sexy’, though her face is certainly very pretty. I’m definitely buying the game though. Why?

          Because the whole issue is out of proportion: She’s one character in a 20 hour game, and certainly not the only female. She may well be the exception rather than the rule. While it is certainly your choice to not buy it, and there’s no right or wrong here, I’d wait for more to be known about the game before making a solid judgement.

          The whole issue seems to me to be about one attention whore’s selective faux outrage, and yes, he won the attention he was whoring for. There are games with characters that use racial slurs. There are games with characters that are unnecessarily violent. In most cases, these characters do not represent the entire game. They are meant to be characters inhabiting the universe the game is set in. Why would this one be the case? Because it’s about sex and gender issues, so it’s automatically a forefront issue?

          While I’m not going to pretend that there are no relevant gender-issues in the games industry, I’m also not going to pretend that Quiet’s design is Kojima’s way of ‘pimping women’ and that I would be supporting exploitation by buying it. If I did, I’d also have to acknowledge that every time I killed a non-Caucasian character in a game while playing as a Caucasian character, I was supporting the Ku Klux Klan, just because some attention whores sought to politicise the issue.

          EDIT: While I disagreed with your opinion, I still upvoted your posts because you voiced your opinion in a respectful and polite manner, braving the ire of fanboys.

          • SolarisSpell

            When there are different opinions in some regards it usually is hard to actually dicuss about it. Some times it seems that just “I’m right you’re wrong” is the only statement you get.
            I also understand that every one can have opinion, but if you have one there are reasons why you have it, so I always try to explain my point of view.

            And above all else, this subject is only because the visual diseign of a single character, so the whole game might be different. With time we will know more and our opinions might change. I know in a game like MGS I want to feel a serious and tragic story (and mindfucking too XD), so when I’m dealing with Quiet will probably won’t feel that mood. Of couse anything can change, but Kojima’s statment of he wanting to ‘make her more sexy so it sells more’ is what make me not take the character seriously, and not simple her looks.

    • rockman29

      I appreciate your honesty on the subject and being brave to present your unpopular view.

      If I might suggest, maybe wait for Kojima to present more of the context behind the design. I do understand, as you said, some of the reason it was chosen was for sake of making her sexually appealing and ideal for cosplayers, at least in part.

      I hope it doesn’t make you so uncomfortable as to change your decision to buy or not to buy a game.

      It’s OK to buy a game and disagree with some content in it or the way certain things are handled. We don’t have to choose to be for or against whole pieces of work based on a singular aspect, though if you feel that strongly that’s OK too.

      Hopefully Kojima will clear up some things when he makes a further response near or after the game release, and will give you more confidence in his game again.

      So we’ll see :)

      Again good job being brave and giving your opinion in this clearly hostile atmosphere :)

    • Kobracon

      I really hope you change your mind about the game. Not to step on your views, but it seems like such a waste to let a game go by for something so small (at least to me). Its like throwing away a nice big meal coz it has that one little thing you don’t like to eat.

      I’m sure she will be just one of the bosses and I feel that if you could handle the Beauty and the Beast Corp in MGS4, there should be no problem with Quiet.

      • SolarisSpell

        Wow, this has become a hot topic… I’ve never have so many answers, so I’m not sure if there is an ‘Answer All’ option… My previous answer is down there… somewhere XD

        As I’ve said before, it’s not inteligent to judge a whole game regarding a simple aspect of it, so there is still much to understand about MGS5.

        I think what makes me not take seriously some characters is that sometimes it feels innecesary. I mean, in Final Fantasy games I don’t have a problem with Lulu, but it bothers me Lightning breast size increase. When Kojima said he was pushing his team to make the character more sexy for cosplay and figurines reasons I thought he didn’t have to, but after that his statement of “her secrets” felt as an excuse. That is why I said you can invent any side-story that justifes anything.

        No game is completely perfect to your preferences. There is always things you would have prefered to be different, so what matters is the whole. This game will probably have more things I like than I dislike so I might finally enjoy it, but this is a dangerous precedent to me. There have been games I wanted to play I just didn’t.God of War, Dragon Crown… I even remember a time playing Dante’s Inferno demo when you ‘defeat’ Death she ask you to stop, so I actually did it. I have defeteated her and she was powerless but nothing happened. I was forced to brutally kill her…

        Sometimes some things just feel out of place for you and that changes your perspective. In MGS3, a game I love, Eva changed from being intimate to feel akward. In MGS4 I never felt anything for the B&B and that made my experience lacking. In PeaceWalker I could at least choose to not see character underwear…

        Well, we’ll see how this will end.

        • Kobracon

          Well I guess it depends on how you look at it. We will never truly know whether the chicken or the egg came first (sexy for sake of figurines first or story-reasons came first) until we ask the director himself privately. Personally, I like to see things as story first. If its a really good excuse as to why she dresses like that, then sure. If not, meh, its still nice eye candy for guys like me.

          Also, you really felt nothing for B&B? Those were some really tragic backstories and I really felt for them…

          In the end, I hope you end up liking MGSV as a whole.

          • SolarisSpell

            Yeah, that is why it was such a lost for me. All those tragic stories… and nothing. So many tears were shed in MGS1 and 3. Even a bit in MGS2. But suddently I play MGS4 and just couldn’t feel anything for B&B. Even Naomi felt meh… so my experience with the game was worse of what it should have been making me not enjoy all I could.

            But even without that I really did enjoy other things, as BigMomma, Vamp, Otacon, Akiba… So MGS5 will probably have lot to offer.

  • Ace

    Kojima 1. Ellis 0.

  • ControlBlue

    - I have no clue about the massively erotic aspect of the MGS series, but I will still make a tantrum because a girl decide to wear a thong and has an attractive body (EVA???)
    – I will complain about sexuality being used as a theme for a character in a series full of over-the-top characters (The Sorrow??)
    – I’m not comfortable with women being in a game if they are not plain, bland, and with politically-correct dresses. Who cares if they actually have power in the story and matters to the plot!

    Funny how the immature ones are not where you expect them.

  • Sae-Won Yoon

    “The reaction towards Quiet incited by some of the net is exactly what Metal Gear Solid V itself is.”

    While Everyone decides to bitch and moan, Kojima is just sitting in his office; thinking to himself “All according to keikaku.”

    Seriously, though *THIS* is what they complain about? If feminism is responsible for this then fuck them. I get why they did this, but that’s precisely why It irks me over just how petty it ends up getting. “Waaaahhh, This offends me therefore if must be stopped!”

    It’s all subjective, even if not all of it, I bet my life most if not some part of it is; Complaining over the design over a fictional character, however realistic or risque is silly as hell if the person complaining has no interest to begin with, otherwise it’s just hilarious at times just to see certain people bitch over a bikini and some torn pantyhose.

    Funny how people will be selective and not mention stuff like any Illusion Soft. game or any Dating sim which practically was a sex simulator as opposed to Killer Is Dead and MGSV which while showing sensual themes, you could still at least see how both of the latter games are at least trying to put that stuff in a more mature if not serious context.

    “Think of the children?” Fuck that, how about “Thinking of yourself” for a second instead of trying to expose your product for more relevance and money?

    • McPoo

      I’m sure people do complain about those dating/sex sims, but they’re not really that popular outside of their home regions.

      MGS V is a massive game that’ll be popular worldwide. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but I understand why they’ve picked up on this game in particular.

    • Kobracon

      At least the outrage a few years ago about Illusion’s Rapelay made some sense. Since it was about rape and all and not the size of the girls knockers or their clothing choice.

      • DrForbidden

        To be honest, I don’t see what the fuss about Rapelay is about…

        • Kobracon

          I believe its just the rape. Also it so happens that someone pointed out to a mass audience. There have been many rape scenarios in games like that long before Rapelay, but it takes that one guy to show it to ppl who don’t normally play these things to start a fire.

          • DrForbidden

            No, no, I get that part. I just find it preposterous that simulated rape is considered worse than simulated murder, simulated destruction, simulated mutilation, simulated torture, simulated genocide, etc.

            • Kobracon

              Ah right. Yeah…the world can be stranger than fiction indeed.

  • Charlie

    Out of all the games to ridicule, MGS. Really? Ellis must be feeling inadequate.

  • Zancrow

    From now on all female chracters should wear parkas! xD
    Seriously though, those people should just wait until the game is out.

  • Altin

    Just going to drop this video here:

    Stay strong, Japan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtFN8G0NN4M

  • almostautumn

    Omg… I feel like videogame journalism has taken the turn toward O’Reily/Olberman television news…

    This is such a smug and pretentious field anymore. I feel like getting involved in any of these ‘hot issues’ (which I don’t think even are issues) just really dampens being able to enjoy videogames…

    So I’m not going to this time :) Peace out, East vs West nonsense!

    • gerald

      I’m with you, but it’s not just “journalism”, gamers go on and on about this stuff on forums too. It’s stupid and childish. I think it’s just the times we live in that everyone’s so easily offended and always looking for new things to be offended by. Gamers sure weren’t such babies back when I started gaming in the 80s and through the 90s. It’s a fairly recent development and hopefully it’ll pass like a fad.

      Till then, I just ignore it or laugh at the things people overreact to and enjoy gaming.

      Bitches gonna bitch.

      • MosquitoLemon

        I don’t think anything different happened to gamers in general, it’s just that all the obnoxious people that nobody ever listened to got a platform to voice their opinions.

      • Erdrick

        Here’s a solution then. The designers need to just STOP. Simple. Make women less sexually appealing and call it a day. Done, over, simple. Can you explain to me why it can’t simply be reversed? Can you explain to me why such a “trivial issue”, as you like to call it, can’t just simply be fixed so everyone can be happy? It’s not hard. Take the same woman above, for example, and put some cool clothes on her, befitting a female soldier. Done. If you plan on telling me you’re against that, you’re now outing yourself as a guy that only cares about a woman’s flesh first and everything else second.

        Try to wiggle out of that logic now, cause I have you trapped.

    • rockman29

      O Reilly told all Americans who did not support the war in Iraq to shut their mouths and he ridiculed and swore at a man who lost his father in the Iraq War on his show for not agreeing with his POV.

      That’s a bit different than being critical of a character design :P

      • almostautumn

        It’s dull bigotry and ‘shove my opinion down an entire culture’s throat’ nonsense.
        If ya’ ask me, that’s just about the same as Republican and Democrat television shows.

  • Luna Kazemaru

    selective outrage is always lovely. -_-

    Tho nice reply there kojima

  • rurifan

    Let’s hope that Japan never caves in to censorshop from the vapid hand-wringing of wannabe “feminists” in the gaming industry.

    The correct response to political-correctism everywhere is ridicule and doing the opposite of what the would-be thought police demand.

    • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

      They kind of already have caved, honestly. They display women like this, but their porn industry suffers from censorship, lol. It’s funny how that works… Especially when people want to point their fingers at Japan for being so terrible with sexualizing women, when the American porn industry does stuff that’s even banned by Japan’s standards.

      Typical behavior from ignorant fellows though, I suppose.

      • Kobracon

        Goddamn pixelated genitals…

        • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

          For me it’s:

          goddamn tiny black bars in mah doujins

  • http://zefhar.deviantart.com Zefhar

    I’m intrigued about the “secret of her exposure”, and enjoying it in awe in the meantime.

  • Budgiecat

    I have no idea what he is talking about….

  • DrForbidden

    This guy works for a studio that has made nothing but one HALO game after another. With such an impressive and varied ouvre, he obviously knows what he’s talking about. Their faceless space marine blue and red Spartan armour is still talked about today, as is their faceless space marine green and grey one, with awed and hushed tones. While they’ve had their failures, such as their faceless space marine yellow and purple Spartan armour or that disastrous faceless space marine black and mauve Spartan armour, they’ve no doubt cemented their place in the hall of legends of video game designs.

    So yes, we should all pay attention to what 343i has to say on the matter…

    • Kobracon

      Hell Rooster Teeth added more character to those faceless armours than Halo ever could

    • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

      >This guy works for a studio that has made nothing but one HALO game after another.

      Sorry, but I just had to say that was kind of a bad counter-argument since Kojima works for a studio that has made nothing but one Metal Gear game after another, so yeah… That road is traveled both ways, but I get what you’re saying :P

      • DrForbidden

        No, there is significantly more diversity in character design among MGS games than among HALO games. Designing attractive and iconic characters is a difficult job. I am not averse to Quiet’s design being criticised, but Ellie criticising Kojima Studios on design is like a guy who just graduated medical school criticising a neurosurgeon with 10 years of experience on his surgical skills.

        • https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingHeroTetsuya TetsuyaHikari

          The character design may be more diverse, but they’ve both essentially been making the same games for the past 10 years. That was my point.

          • DrForbidden

            Well, ok, but I was referring wholly to the designing elements of the games in my original post, and in that portion of development, the diversity of the MGS franchise certainly puts Kojima Studios far ahead of 343i.

  • http://twitter.com/RaiuLyn Raiu

    “This character design is disgusting”
    Erm…. Yeah… I’ll just leave it here…
    http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/14/60/fbeea9efbd3a72eb118bec7994719c15-cortana-changes.jpg

    It ain’t the first time Kojima did something like this….. And the “Industry full of man babies” line, he just admitted himself as one ironically….

  • LuzariusLive

    I think Quiet is beautiful & sexy. I’d like to see more NPC’s like her in every upcoming RPG. I don’t like the whole gay/feminist movement going on in the gaming industry. I don’t mind gay characters in game, but leave the attractive female NPC’s in the game. The less they show, the better. If you want to attract female gamers, just give the women a hunky, handsome male NPC. Problem solved.