Hideki Kamiya: PlayStation All-Stars “just a rip-off”
posted on 08.05.12 at 03:26 PM EST by (@salromano)
Bayonetta director not keen on upcoming PlayStation fighter.

Devil May Cry creator, Bayonetta director, and Platinum Games employee Hideki Kamiya isn’t a fan of Sony and SuperBot Entertainment’s upcoming PlayStation fighter PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, which he claims is “just a rip-off,” presumably of Nintendo’s Super Smash Bros. franchise.

Here are a few of Kamiya’s recent tweets:

  • “No. I don’t like that game. RT @Mitsjolol Let me ask u in a different way; Would you like to see him in PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale?” (Link)
  • “It’s just a rip-off. RT @mirainog I’d luv 2 C the P-100 heroes in Super Smash Bros. though! I agree w/ U abt PS All-Stars, doesn’t look gd.” (Link)
  • “I don’t like rip-off. That’s all. RT @Jumbadabum y dislike something U have not tried? Seems lk a bad attitude 4 a game developer 2 have.” (Link)
  • “And throw morals away. Great. RT @Jumbadabum Fans asked for a PS Smash. Listening to fans + following a successful series sounds good.” (Link)
  • “You are you and I am me. That’s all. RT @Jumbadabum Trying to please fans = amoral? :(” (Link)
  • (This tweet may or may not have been in response to all the PlayStation All-Stars questions.) “To try to please fans, you can do EVERYTHING. Great theory. Totaly against mine.” (Link)

The situation is somewhat ironic, considering Raiden, the star of a title Platinum Games is developing (albeit Konami is publishing and owns the IP), will be a playable character in the game.

Thanks, NeoGAF.

  • blackgandorf

    Haters gonna hate xD

    • zerolegacy0

      I don’t like it when people use this phrase to dodge criticism. It may not be a rip-off, but it’s clone at the very least.

      • blackgandorf

        Its not to evade. I think you need to play a game before make any criticism about it.

        • zerolegacy0

          That’s another common evasion phrase. Why should I play it? All the information I need has already been released in the trailers.
          The similarities are uncanny, there’s no mistaking it, right down to HUD placements, and attack effects.

          I didn’t say it was a bad game, but it’s clone plain and simple. I guess fanboys ganna fanboy?

          • blackgandorf

            Yeah, same all the FPS are rip-offs of Maze war, Wolfesntein 3D and Doom. But there´s a difference: improvements that make a gameplay mechanics in a genre even better or even worse. But for me, you need to play to feel whats different.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/http://www.youtube.com/user/AzureKuwait?feature=mhee AzureFlame24

    I agree with him, looks like a bad ripoff without a style

    • Yuenku

      +1

  • PrinceHeir

    yeah it seems the game is a rip off, plus the character representation are off.

    though i should wait for more feedback from people to see how it plays.

    still despite Raiden is in it, i don’t think that’s enough for me to try it

    also Kamiya a BOSS as always :)

  • DarthBrian

    He should probably play it before making statements like this.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Your logical statement is lost on someone like Chinglee. Thanks for trying though.

  • chinglee

    Well….yeah, obviously it’s a rip-off.
    Hideki doesn’t like rip-offs fair enough.

  • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

    Oh look kamiya being a tool,as always.

    • Noctionus

      Obviously because he’s currently as a freelance for Nintendo? (project P-100)

      Joke aside. I believe that he said it when in drunk. :

      • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

        I do not get your joke

  • Locksus
  • xMCXx

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH~
    Yeah, it’s a rip-off.
    But so what? As long as it makes fun and isn’t a 100% rip-off and makes some new things, I’m ok with it.

    Although fanboys will hate it no matter what.
    For example: People are saying Cole’s super is a rip-off of Snake’s final brawl or what’s it called.
    Seriously?

  • KingOptimusOrigins111

    Like it matters really. Come on Nintendo fanboys listen to yourselves. Your calling this a ripoff and your crying about it but yet you guys don’t ever cry about the other 4 player fighting games out there. Its like you guys are saying everybody else can do it but Sony can’t. Well you know what Sony can.

    They have the characters, they have the right stages from tons of exclusive games of theirs to do it and tons of game modes judging by the leak info. Quite frankly I can’t wait for this game and being able to play as Jak, Cole, Drake, Kratos, Sweet Tooth & tons of more characters. You hardcore Nintendo fans need to realize this game isn’t for you or Nintendo. This is for PlayStation and their fans that have supported them this long in the industry. Its more like fan service as in thank you for supporting us. If you can’t see that by now do you really think your complaining going to really effect the people who are going to buy this game this holiday.

    Let the fanboys disagree with their high ignorance that don’t no better.

    • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

      andd 4 fanboys disagreed.

      • KingOptimusOrigins111

        Its just high IGNORANCE!!! You know I’m trying to prove a point if Sony has the characters, the exclusive games for the stages, and based off the leak modes then I see nothing wrong with them releasing this game.

        • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

          Same here,people were asking for it for years,and then sony made it.How is that bad?

          Only fanboys are getting all angry for no reason,its sad

          • KingOptimusOrigins111

            Yeah

            • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

              ….Wow what happened here

              • KingOptimusOrigins111

                So you see the new design too?

            • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

              Yeah and Its glitchy,I couldnt reply to your other comment and had too scroll to find you

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    Bayonetta was a rip off of his previous franchise DMC. Just with more Sarah Palin and body hair.

    He makes fun games. No doubt. He still trollin.

    Funny that Capcom handed off Kamiyas original franchise to a western dev to revitalize something that became quite stale. Lets also not ignore the utter street trash that was DMC2.
    With a game that atrocious on ones resume I’m not sure one can be so critical of anyone elses work.

    • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

      True.

    • PrinceHeir

      i wouldn’t say Sarah Palin, but Angela Aki instead

      http://www.generasia.com/wiki/Angela_Aki

      and NO. DMC2 is NOT created by Kamiya nor DMC3/DMC4 is

      DMC2/3/4 same team, DMC1 is the only thing he made.

      i don’t think DMC4 got staled, only copied and reused levels, i actually Bayonetta and Ninja Gaiden 2(and Sigma 2) are the ones that revitalize the genre.

      • Anime10121

         Yep you’re right, the same team that made DMC2 also made 3 and 4, Kamiya had nothing to do with its sequels.  Also, I’m with you when you say that DMC4 was primarily a good game, the only thing that hinders it is the backtracking and basically redoing Nero’s stages/bosses with Dante.

        Though I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Bayonetta or NG2 “revitalized” the genre.  DMC3 IMO is just as good as Bayonetta was and NG2, while good, still couldn’t hold a candle to either Bayo or DMC3.

        • PrinceHeir

          agree2

          i actually prefer DMC4 gameplay more due to dante’s instant change of style on the fly :)

          well you could say DMC3(though i prefer DMC4 other than the pacing) and Bayonetta are neck to neck at each other.

          well it’s still a solid game, plus the boss fights were amazing too.

          fighting 2 bosses at once reminded me Agni & Rudra boss fight in DMC3 ^^

    • chinglee

      “Bayonetta was a rip off of his previous franchise DMC”
      Did nobody else laugh and fascepalm at this?

      Come on dude, you’re even aware that HE made a DMC game and you are saying another game that HE created was rip-off of DMC…a game that he made. He ripped-off a game,…that he made. Now read carfully: Kamiya ,made a rip-off of his own creation….

      I hope you understand the wrongness in what you had said with the sentence ” Bayonetta was a rip off of his previous franchise DMC” xD

      • FlameEmperor

        I couldn’t stop laughing when I read his post. I would like to say thank you for that hilarious joke 
        Malcolm Reynolds.

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        Thank you captain obvious. I clearly stated that bayonetta was a “rip off of his previous work DMC”.

        You found it necessary to point out to me no less than 4 times in one post exactly what my opening line said to begin with.

        Do you also have any other news flashes for me like water being wet and the sky being blue?

        Just b/c he created the original DMC doesnt mean he didnt rip off (see also redress the same game in breasts and body hair) his own work to create a “brand new” IP.

        My question to you is….can you explain how it is possible for Kamiya to walk around with you constantly swinging from his testicles?

      • Anime10121

         Well technically Bayonetta is more like DMC3 (which Kamiya had little to no involvement in)than DMC1.  DMC1 and 3 play VERY differently, just because Kamiya started the franchise, doesn’t mean that he is the one who refined the gameplay to what it became.

        While Kamiy didnt have a hand in the worst entry in the series (2), he also didn’t have a hand in its best (3, which again is far more similar to Bayo than his creation, which was DMC1).

  • Anonymous

    Wait… PS All-Stars is a rip-off from SSBB? I’m SHOCK!!!

    Joke aside. I think this man is either trolling or just wants to piss of Sony’s fanboy. But seriously, this is what they call having the same idea for a game. You want something original? Even if you think of something yourself and think it’s original, sooner or later, you are going to find out that idea was already used by others way before you.

    If you call that rip-off then there is a bunch of rip-off out there? Bully is just a “rip-off” from GTA, but instead of being a street gangster, you become a badass student and beat people up. Yakuza also can be called a “rip-off” from GTA, but you are in Japan instead of the U.S. How about racing games? Forza is a “rip-off” from Grand Turismo, right? Or Midnight Club is just a “rip-off” from NFS? DMC? It’s “rip-off” too! Rising Zan has the main character using both sword and gun way before Dante, and in Soukaigi, you can also beat monster up like a pup. By the way, these are just examples to point out the similarities and familiar ideas in video games, I don’t mean to start some arguments about these titles here.

    What’s original about SSBB? It combine characters from other games? Please, Ehrgeiz already did that a long time ago, even MvC, or Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighters. Jumping, picking up items and interacting with the environment while fighting? Let’s me see, how about One Piece Grand Battle? Yeah, try TMNT Mutant Melee for a change too.

    Like I said, even if you think of something yourself and think it’s original, sooner or later, you are going to find out that idea was already used by others way before you. And I don’t even want to start with movies. So please stop calling this game a “rip-off” from SSBB.

    • PrinceHeir

      huh Yakuza is a rip off of GTA??

      LMAO

      seriously im sorry but i don’t think you know what your talking about.

      and oh GTA IS a rip off of Shnemue

      • Anime10121

         He may be off on a few of his examples, but he is correct in what he’s implying.  Super Smash Bros may be the best built and most popular party based brawler out there, but that doesn’t make everything in its genre a “rip-off”.  There are plenty of games/movies/music that are similar to each other, its the reason genre’s exist (games that are fundamentally similar, but not exactly the same).

        • PrinceHeir

          i actually agree with his post.

          im only talking about that example, nothing more.

          actually that’s how games or other mediums evolve, they take something that is good and expand it to other territories.

          i think the point of Kamiya’s comment is that he doesn’t really see anything “evolving” about the game.

          it’s just pure Copy and Paste.

          for me, they should have made a game a 3D fighting game of some sorts. because i don’t know what’s the point of this game other than playing with Playstation characters and others.

          • Anime10121

            Agreed with everything until the part about pure copy and Paste.

            You cant say it’s an exact copy and paste considering you have admitted to not playing it yet.  There is a very large fundamental difference in the way matches play out.

            1. There is no health bars/percentage
            2. There are no ring outs
            3.  The only way to defeat enemies are through supers

            These changes here (though small), are enough to say it plays different enough from Smash Bros.  While I like what I’ve seen of the game so far, I think I would like it a whole lot more if it WAS more of a clone of Smash Bros.  I feel its stupid not to have health bars or ring outs in a brawler like this.

            If they made the game a 3D fighting game, it still would play similar to one of the many 3D fighting games out there and people would surely say it was a “clone” of one of them. 

            And what you said about the “point” of the game is also moot, because the same could be said about Smash Bros.  I can guarantee you, if that game wasn’t based upon Nintendo characters, it would not have become as big as it has (just like most other party based brawlers that are released and quickly forgotten about).  Now dont get me wrong, I’m not saying Smash Bros. hasnt become a well built and fun game (after all, it is one of the only 2 Nintendo franchises I still adore), but I am saying that there was nothing truly special about the first entry besides it throwing in a whole bunch of popular and/or Nostalgic Nintendo characters.  If it was brand new characters or less popular characters, Smash Bros would not be the big hit it is today.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            B/C there are certainly no other 3D fighting games on the market.

      • Anonymous

         I knew putting Yakuza in there was a bad example. Like I said, I just tried to point out the similarities between those titles, to show that having the same ideas and applying them to the game doesn’t the make it a “rip-off”. GTA is just a pure example, something I randomly pick, nothing more, nothing less. I was afraid people misunderstood my intention, that’s why I put “rip-off” in quotation mark.

        You can trust me when I say I like playing with Yakuza way more than GTA.

        • PrinceHeir

          ohh i see.

          well my mistake if i may sound like im making fun of you or anything.

          im just surprise about the comparison that’s all.

          heck i freaking knew someone would be posting an example of that.

          again im sorry if i sounded like a jackass towards you.

          btw i agree with your post though as i said earlier

          im also surprise someone remember Rising Zan O___O

  • chinglee

    *Calls people fanboys for disagreeing with an opinion….*

    Oh internetz*rolls eyes*

    *looks at other comments*
    lol so much wrong and misinformed comments here. Way too much to bother replying to(heck I got crap ton of that over on gametrailers to deal with)especially on board structured like this.

    Well you guys have fun ;)
    INCOMING ANGRY THUMBS DOWN COMMENCE!

    • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

      Like how your comment adds nothing to the discussion.

      • DrForbidden

        And yours did? I don’t know chinglee or what your beef with him/her is, and I don’t really care, but when half your posts are accusing him of being a troll, you might not want to attack his posts for not contributing to the discussion. Just saying.

        • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

          2 post when Ive madeout of  over 10?

          and he isnt contributing at all,thats why it bothers me.Just look at his post!

          • DrForbidden

            I apologise if I sounded harsh. Lord knows I have problems with my own temper sometimes, but I just don’t think it adds anything to throw down like that. I’ll just shush now.

            • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

              Meh its alright.

            • Malcolm Reynolds

              It appears from your above response to me that we can all be abrasive and hypocritical at times.

              I’m not the least bit angry at you for it. Perhaps you could let go of some of that anger towards me and figure out that we dont share the same opinion and that its perfectly ok?

              I’m guessing no.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Wow. Liberal defense force.
          Defend the aggressor. Criminals have rights too.

          Pathetic.

          Chinglee has clearly done nothing in this thread but try to ruffle feathers. Try reading all the comments before picking a side in a disagreement and maybe next time you wont pick the wrong side.

          • DrForbidden

            Yes, I’m pathetic. Unlike Malcolm Reynolds, who is obviously a GOD among men, who is NEVER on the wrong side of anything, and whose opinions, open rudeness and disdain for anyone who disagrees with said opinions, are completely DIVINE.

            Whatever lets you masturbate yourself to sleep at night, pal. I’m sure I’m not the only one on Gematsu who is getting tired of your aggression and poor attitude. Knock yourself out.

  • AdamBoy64

    Yes, it’s a rip-off – but they can still be a lot of fun to play. Doesn’t mean it won’t be good either.

  • Enigma_XIV

    The way i see it Nintendo doesn’t have a monopoly on cross-over fighters, and its not really a rip off if its not cheap and well developed, its just very similar

  • chinglee

    Just thought I’d share this 
    http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17osescm2vt9npng/original.png 
    From the official Playstation Youtube channel. Take a look at the tags they use XD
    …At least they changed it since then, lol.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Please go away. I’m sure you can find something to play on your Wii instead of trolling a playstation game you have never played nor have any intention of ever playing.

      Cheers.

      • chinglee

        Cool, another guy with a crystal ball and/or some psychic powers of sorts.
        …I’m jealous that I don’t posses such things :(

        Oh and I really don’t have anything to play on my Wii at the moment.
        Didn’t really like the controls for Skyward Sword so gave up on that.
        And for Xenoblade Chronicles, my save file got deleted. I put in 118 hours into that game as well ;_;

        Though, I am playing Kingdom Hearts DDD which I’ve almost completed. Mad fun game :D

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Shame about your save file for Xenoblade. Amazing game.

          I also agree that KH:DDD is awesome.

          Deep down we are just gamers and we dont have to agree on everything. I would suggest waiting until a game is out before bashing it though. Unless its a Kinect game! LoL.

      • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

        I think all he can do is troll sony,sad really.

  • PrinceHeir

    to add more fuel to the fire check out the rest of his tweets

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=485438 

    this is hilarious :P

    • chinglee

      Kamiya is a total legend xD

      • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

        So hes a legend because hes able to make stupid comments without any thought into them?

        Your fanboyism is growing annoying -_-

        • chinglee

          lol, how am I a fanboy or a troll?

          I haven’t mindlessly bashed anything nor has my intention been to stir up any trouble by being sarcastic. Heck, I even decided to not reply to most of the silly comments coz I know where it’d head.  

          Someone just decided to bring up fanboys for no apparent reason other than people agreeing with Hideki’s statement.

          I agree with him that All-Stars is a rip-off. Simple as that.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Comment liked for common sense and for calling the hand of the most annoying poster in this thread.

          Thank u for your service good sir.

          Dont worry about his back pedaling, his agenda was/is readily transparent.

          • chinglee

            lolbackpadling. lol, what agenda?
            It’s like not sharing the same opinion is wrong now or something.

            Agree with Kamiya = Fanboy
            Disagree with Kamiya = Cool guy

            It’s funny, the name calling(fanboy and being told to go away)started with those in disagreement with Kamiya’s statement.
            No one has given a reason as to why people agreeing with Hideki’s statement are fanboys/trolls either…

            Oh and a question if I may to those who label me as ‘fanboy': I’m unsure as to what type of fanboy I apparently am, in your view. So what am? I’ve already been called a 360 fanboy, PS3 fanboy and Wii fanboy in the past ;)

          • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

            Thank you good sir!

            I try to avoid fanboys,but sometimes they need to be called out.

            • Malcolm Reynolds

              Not really a fanboy although he seems to be very pro smash bros. as if there is a less shallow game. Maybe farmville on facebook. Anyway, I have seen him trolling the xbox as well today and believe you me, I can spot a troll attempt on xbox as I have been guilty of that a few times meself.
              I think this cat just gets off on playing devils advocate which is why from now on I will only respond at him and not directly to him. In a sense its treating him like he isnt there even though I know he is. Just waiting for some kind of human interaction. To feel loved in some way. Isnt that what we all want?
              LoL.

              • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

                XD  so true

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    You know what’s funny about Smash Bros?
    It was never fun to begin with.

    I remember all of gamedom ready to cream themselves when SSB: Melee hit the cube.
    I bought it the first night.
    Three friends came over and none of us had played a smash bros game at the time so we were stoked.
    A night of 4 player fun was upon us?!?

    30 minutes into this dreadfully shallow experience I started to wonder if I was the only person on the verge of slipping into a coma. A quick glance at all the faces that no longer contained any joy or excitement answered my question.
    No I was not.

    Another 30 mins went by before I finally suggested we try another game as I felt my vidiot “party” would implode if I didnt.

    Have you ever seen 3 lazy gamers lunge for nearest multiplayer game on any shelf they could find in hopes of finding something, anything that might be better with lightning quick speed? Until that moment I never had but I shant soon forget it.
    I imagine it to be similar to the quickness with which a liberal reacts at the chance to step on our constitution. In others words….damn quick.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      So thankfully my vidiot party was saved once again by a true four player classic….NO not the equally abysmal N64 Goldeneye, but the euphoric perfection that is Bomberman on the Sega Saturn.

      So from about 10pm til 3am we indulged in an amazing night of multiplayer bliss no thanks in part to the worst hour of our gaming lives that was 9pm to 10pm the night SSB: Melee took a huge steaming crap on my Cube.

      It was promptly returned for a full refund the next morning. One of the perks of having a friend as the manager of my local Gamestop at the time.

  • talesoffan

    This man doesn’t like Sony. Its why I didn’t buy Bayonetta day one on PS3.

    • Anime10121

       It does sound as if he has a little hostility/hate in his tone, but honestly, I could care less how he feels about Sony as long as he still releases good games on the Console.  Wouldnt ever let that stop me from buying a gem like Bayonetta (although the patch should have been in the original version).

      • talesoffan

        Well it’s just sad that the majority of people playing Bayonetta are playing the inferior version and this guy doesnt seem to care.

        • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

          Soo messed up :

        • Anime10121

           True, they should have spent more time on the PS3 version (the one I currently have) instead of releasing it half baked, but the game was still incredibly fun (even with its horrible framerate and loading pre-patch). 

          And you’re right, as a game designer, he should have more pride and respect than to release the build of Bayonetta that was released on PS3, but considering this is only the second time I’ve disagreed with his stance on anything (the first being how they released Bayonetta). 

          I think its fine to have disagreements on things, as long as he doesn’t make it a habit of releasing half baked products.  I’ll have to wait until he actually releases a second game, to see if he’s learned his lesson.

          • DrForbidden

            Uhm, the issue with Bayonetta was that it was developed on the X360 and ported over to the PS3. Vanquish and Max Anarchy were developed on the PS3, and the PS3 versions didn’t have serious issues. PS3 Bayonetta’s problems were, AFAIK, a port issue. I agree absolutely that Kamiya should have cared more about the PS3 version of Bayonetta than he did, though.

            • Anime10121

               True, True, it was because of a port issue, but the fact is, it still could have been ironed out a bit more before release, as evident by the patch that fixed multiple (though not all) issues released months later. 

              But those other two games (Vanquish and Anarchy) while made by Platinum, weren’t Kamiya’s games, so I still await Kamiya’s next PS360 game to see if he’s learned his lesson, or if he really does have something against PS (for whatever reason there might be).

              • DrForbidden

                You’re right: I forgot that Vanquish and MA weren’t Kamiya’s work…  :)

                • Malcolm Reynolds

                  I loved Vanquish. Like you I thought it was Kamiya’s game. Now that I know it isn’t I think Kamiya’s has that much less room to bash anothers work.

  • InternatlGamer3

    Oh yeah and Super Smash Bros. Is an original idea crafted by Nintendo. Not, have u people ever heard of THE OUTFOXIES it was a 4 player beat em up in the style of Super Smash and it came out in 1994. Super Smash Bros. Came out in 1999 Five years later. Yes PS all stars is a ripoff of Super Smash but. Super Smash is a ripoff of THE OUTFOXIES.

    • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

      So they are all OUtfoxies rip offs?

  • InternatlGamer3

    Look up THE OUTFOXIES it was created by Namco and is the game to influence Super SMASH as Dragon Slayer from Nihon Falcom influenced the Legend of ZELDA. Dragon Slayer was an open World action RPG that is the true originator of ACTION RPG’S.

    Seriously people look up the OUTFOXIES and you’ll see where I am coming from its the true 4 player beat em up in Smash Bros. Style before Super Smash ever came out.

  • Charlie

    Calm your farm Kamiya.

  • http://gematsu.com/ Zero

    He sure did get under some peoples skin with these tweets, eh? Perfectly understandable.

    I’m not gonna let his personal opinion bother me, we don’t quite agree about one game, so what? He has the right to voice his opinion, and I don’t think any less of him for doing so. And that is the best advice I can give to others.

    I tend to agree with some of the comments in here, especially the ones talking about not judging the game before you play it, and how games are often times very similar, for example, developers often times like to borrow elements from other games. Many fans have been asking for Sony to make a game similar to SSB for years, and like others have pointed out, it’s quite surprising it’s taken them this long to do so. All of these are valid points.

    And as for the rip-off comment, I think “rip-off” was a poor choice of words.

    • http://moefx.wordpress.com/ barklight

      He needs to show some respect towards others more.

      • DrForbidden

        He needs to learn to ignore trolls and flamebaiters on Twitter, and not to let his temper get the better of him. Hell, he should stay off Twitter in the first place, or at least start a separate channel as a private individual so that he can claim he is speaking for himself, and not in the capacity of a person attached to Platinum Games.

    • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

      Yeah thats why I cant stand him,hes so dang rude and treats gamers like crap unless they pretty much bow down to him

      • DrForbidden

        AFAIK, Kamiya does not treat gamers like crap, only douches and trolls. He is generally quite polite, or at least, not rude to most on his Twitter.

        • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

          And yet here he is being a douche and a troll

          • DrForbidden

            To douches and trolls. I’m not really defending Kamiya per se, but he has every right to express his opinion on the internet the way he wants to, the way you or I or anyone else does. I am just baffled how someone like Malcolm Reynolds gets to call Kamiya out on being a rude internet douche without tattooing ‘HYPOCRITE!’ in neon lettering on his own forehead. The only real difference between what he does and what most other people do online is he is using a Twitter channel which is tied to his company. This may not reflect well on Platinum Games, as Kamiya is a senior staff there, which is why I think he should get his own personal channel.

            • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

              At least MR admitted he trolls on occasion,and he actually goes in depth when he does and gives an insane amount of backup to what he says. XD 

              Which is why I dont like argueing with him,I dont like loseing.

              • DrForbidden

                Personally, I’ve only occasionally found anything substantial in what MR writes. Most of it consists of grandfather stories stacked with opinions, well-written thinly-veiled insults, pedestrian unveiled insults, and creatively-written hyperbolic insults attacking anyone he deems deserving, which is basically anyone who dares post something he disagrees with, regardless of whether that person was respectful in expressing his opinion or not. Maybe it is just his way, but it is unnecessarily abrasive in any case. If Kamiya is a douche for doing what he does on Twitter, MR is no better, save having a better command of English…

                But enough about that… :P    I offer my hand to you, sir.

                • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

                  Wait,I need my glove.I dont trust random internet strangers hands

  • d3v

    Kamiya hasn’t played any fighting games competitively, the developers of PSBR (Omar Kendall, Ed Ma, Maj, etc. at Superbot and Seth Killian at Sony Sta. Monica) have. I know who I’m siding with in this argument.

  • zakou

    Define rip-off.

    If you mean stealing ones idea of overall core concept then yes you’d have to be blind not to see Super Smash Bros idea inside PS all stars.

    Steal, borrow, redefine. Call it whatever you want but without SSB there probably would be no PS all stars, just like without Tomb Raider there probably wouldn’t be uncharted.

    I mean sure without TR and SSB the uncharted and PS all stars would exist but they wouldn’t be the same as now.

    • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

      Just like halo without doom,splinter cell without metal gear,zelda without that one game that I cant care to remeber its name. 

      And Smash bros without the dozens of other games that did  pretty much the same thing before it

      • zakou

        True but we have huge difference between mgs and sc, halo and doom and etc.

        On the other hand SSB and PS all stars are very similar except the characters and stages but the core idea is there.

        But yes the dude didn’t even play the game yet and shows signs of hate-ish thoughs.

        • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

          Well from what Ive heard from some people who have played it is that it actually plays quite different,like it has combos and such

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I have been hearing and reading the same from people playing the Beta.

            The only way to kill someone is via a Super Attack. Building up your attack meter while slowing the build up of others meters is the whole strategy.

            Unleash your super before anyone else does. A nice twist on the shallow formula SSB created. I’m guessing it wont convert me over to the “genre” when PSASBR comes out but it does appear to have the differences needed to set it apart.

            Crash Team Racing on PS1 was a “rip” of Mario Kart but I personally found the original CTR to be the best Kart racing single player experience ever created. I went in with zero expectation and came away amazed and addicted.
            I could have been a candya$$ troll and blew the game off as a mario kart clone but I didnt and Im better off for it.

            Same for Syphon Filter, Tenchu, Klonoa, etc. game after game takes elements from others, sometimes wholesale. If you enjoy the game, who the hell cares what some pompous twitter turd says about it when they have never played it nor plan to?

            • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

              Heck  I love the mario kart/ssb games but I cant wait to play these :D  like LBK its a blast even if its a mario kart inspired game.

              People are far too uptight and just want to hate things because they arnt on system A

              • Malcolm Reynolds

                Dude…while Mod Nation was solid I think LBPK looks super fun but then again I love Sonic AllStars racing so what do I know?

                • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

                  LBK is dang fun,with the exception of the stupid first place rocket -_-…..

                  I hate it so much

      • InternatlGamer3

        The Outfoxies as the true originator before Super Smash Bros.

        • KingKellogg The Waffle Haggler

          True

  • Aldridge517

    Ok, we can talk all day about the moral implications of a “rip off” or how sampling other people’s ideas is common in all forms of media, but lets just be frank and answer the question.

    Is Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale a rip off of Super Smash Bros? Yes, of course it is. Everyone in the gaming community has been thinking and saying that since day 1. 

    So like I said, we can go back and forth all day about what a “rip off” is and how people personally feel about it. The bottom line is Kamiya’s statement isn’t wrong.

  • InternatlGamer3

    We can all agree the facts are what they are “The OUTFOXIES” is the true originator of 4 Player beat em’ up style games before Smash Bros. released on N64. I didnt mean for this to become an argument of who’s ripping off who. I just felt people have a right to Know.

  • InternatlGamer3

    As long as we enjoy the games we play it should matter about who rips off who.Super Smash Bros. was influenced by “The OUTFOXIES” which came out in 1994. Super Smash Bros. came out in 1999.End of argument

  • http://gematsu.com/ Zero

    I understand this is a touchy topic to say the least. Let’s not forget about the commenting guidelines please. I don’t need to point out comments that are pushing it. Just continue on but keep it civil and mature please!

    http://gematsu.com/commenting-guidelines

    Anyways, back to the topic.

    I’m not so sure we can place the PS3 Bayonetta problems solely on Kamiya, Sega could have done a better job of caring too. I don’t think anyone is going to pretend Sega has been on top of things this generation, it’s been a very bumpy road with them.

    I’m still not so sure the word rip-off fits here. If you stop and think about it, everything… is sorta a rip-off isn’t it? The thing is, people… we don’t quite think that way. It bothers me to try and classify so many things as a rip-off, it just feels wrong, doesn’t it? I know at least a few others have those feelings when they think about it that way. 

    Just work with me here while I try to explain what I’m talking about…

    I don’t think video games, or whatever form of entertainment is that easy to define, so simplistic, I think it’s the exact opposite. You could say, the musicians of today are just ripping off the ones of old, or the artists of today are just producing rip offs! So and so was making art like this back in the 1800’s! etc.

    Would that statement be untrue? Not quite, but like I said above… it just isn’t that simple. To say it was that simple, would be kinda selling your opinion of it short… don’t you think?

    For example, I know many people who post comments on Gematsu love Japanese Role Playing Games. A friend who is not a super hard core gamer asks you one day…

    Friend – Have you played Tales of Graces f? Is it fun?
    You – I really enjoyed it. I love the Tales of series.
    Friend – What is it like exactly? It’s a JRPG right?
    You- Yeah, (you go on to explain it a bit to your friend.)
    Friend – So it’s like Final Fantasy?
    You – Not exactly… (You try to explain the differences to friend.)
    Friend – Sounds like FF to me, maybe even a rip-off of FF.
    You – Not really… just play it and you will understand.

    This is what I’m taking about, it just isn’t that simple to label everything as a rip off of something else, not in my opinion. This might even be more true when it comes to video games.

    That’s why I said Kamiya using “rip-off” was a poor choice of words in my post below.

  • Yuri4prez

    Soooo… Bayonetta isn’t considered a Devil May Cry rip-off to Kamiya then?

    But Battle royal is to SSB?

    Every game ever invented is a “Pong” rip-off. Discussion over.